Satanic Oppression?

God_Owned · Feb 28, 2006

followjesus777 said:
it is written...
"The gifts and calling of God are WITHOUT repentance"(Romans11:29)

Salvation is a gift...it doesnt say unless you do this or that...it says "the gifts ...OF GOD ARE WITHOUT Repentance"

This is the tip of the iceberg to support "ETERNAL SALVATION BY GRACE ALONE". if you pm me your email i will try to fwd all the info!
i have a ton of respect for Hagin but even he(or his faith OR his perception of the truth) isnt 'perfect' and neither am i! i am learning day by day we all have a long way to go before WE ARE PERFECT in our understanding and our acts!PTL!

I'm pretty sure that we are not in synchronous orbit with one another.

psalms 91 · Feb 28, 2006

Godown said:
I'm pretty sure that we are not in synchronous orbit with one another.

This is talking of the gifts of the Holy Spirit and the calling of God, you can choose to reject or misuse but they are without repentance, also salvation requires confessing with your mouth and believing in your heart that Jesus is Lord, not your mind but your heart, even the devil knows who Jesus is.

God_Owned · Feb 28, 2006

bill16652 said:
This is talking of the gifts of the Holy Spirit and the calling of God, you can choose to reject or misuse but they are without repentance, also salvation requires confessing with your mouth and believing in your heart that Jesus is Lord, not your mind but your heart, even the devil knows who Jesus is.

I've no idea why you're telling me this, based on our previous conversation.

followjesus777 · Feb 28, 2006

bill16652 said:
This is talking of the gifts of the Holy Spirit and the calling of God, you can choose to reject or misuse but they are without repentance, also salvation requires confessing with your mouth and believing in your heart that Jesus is Lord, not your mind but your heart, even the devil knows who Jesus is.

Yes the devil knows but the devil nor a demon CAN CONFESS "Jesus as their Lord!"
this is impossible!~

followjesus777 · Feb 28, 2006

bill16652 said:
This is talking of the gifts of the Holy Spirit and the calling of God, you can choose to reject or misuse but they are without repentance, also salvation requires confessing with your mouth and believing in your heart that Jesus is Lord, not your mind but your heart, even the devil knows who Jesus is.

yes...some of what you say here is true.

Once you recieve the position of 'child'/bornagain/filled with the Gift of the Holy Spirit/ and given the gift of Salvation... you cannot be 'unborn' ...when you have a child can anything they do change the fact that they are your child???this isnt biblical i will send you the stuff ...and i will listen to your rebuttle after!

amdntstr · Feb 28, 2006

followjesus777 said:
it is written...
"The gifts and calling of God are WITHOUT repentance"(Romans11:29)

Salvation is a gift...it doesnt say unless you do this or that...it says "the gifts ...OF GOD ARE WITHOUT Repentance"

This is the tip of the iceberg to support "ETERNAL SALVATION BY GRACE ALONE". if you pm me your email i will try to fwd all the info!
i have a ton of respect for Hagin but even he(or his faith OR his perception of the truth) isnt 'perfect' and neither am i! i am learning day by day we all have a long way to go before WE ARE PERFECT in our understanding and our acts!PTL!

Wrong, look at the verse in context and with what was said before. This is talking to the Gentiles about the JEWS

11:19
You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in."
11:20
Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited *, but fear;
11:21
for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either.
11:22
Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God's kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. 11:23
And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
11:24
For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural * branches be grafted into their own olive tree ?
11:25
For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery --so * that you will not be wise in your own estimation --that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;
11:26
and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, "THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB."
11:27
"THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM, WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS."
11:28
From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God's choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers;

The natural branches here are the Jews. If they can be cut off then so can us who have been grafted in. NOw who has been grafted in? Bornagain believers. What Grafted mean is to be added. My Grandmother used to graft trees. This means to take a branch from one tree and add it to another.

amdntstr · Feb 28, 2006

followjesus777 said:
Repent YES...and be paitient...sins are peeled away from us day by day...as the Holy Spirit brings us into AWARENESS and repentance in His Timing and with chasening even at times unto death but once one becomes 'a child', the position of child cannot be taken away even unto death...PTL that THE GIFT of salvation itself, once truly recieved, is without repentance. The Holy Spirit/Jesus/God is the one ensures we do not 'live' forever in sin... through awareness, conviction and chasening sometimes even by taking our life if we children do not listen. But Praise the Lord He is Patient! Also the Holy Spirit will help 'our works' become more and more Christlike/perfect everyday.

i have miles of info and scripture to support Eternal Salvation...if you are open to refinement as i am i will send it to you and you may send your rebuttle but you must pm your email address because it is on my email.

i know what you are saying and i said the same thing until recently ...BUT i have come to learn that once we are marked..."His GRACE is sufficient" and if our works/performance had ANYTHING to do with it then it wouldnt be 'BY GRACE ALONE' that we are saved!
Be blessed!

Sins are not "PEELED off". That is not accurate either.
If what you say was true, then it would make the bible a liar.

amdntstr · Feb 28, 2006

I am still trying to figure out how you can call yourself WoF but believe in this heresy? What you are attempting to teach is against the bible, and against the most respected WoF teachers.

I am not interested in what you wish to PM me with. The HS has shown me what the bible says and He has taught me what is true. The bible say to flee from thattt which is not truth and that is what I intend to do.

You may choose to ignore what the bible has to say, I choose not to. I take it all as truth.

amdntstr · Feb 28, 2006

From Papa Hagin's own mouth:

I do not believe in once saved, always saved. There
are too many accounts recorded in Scripture of people
who once walked with God and then turned their backs
on Him. If you read Hebrews 6:16, you will clearly see
that falling away from a relationship with God is possi-ble.
However, as long as a person is in Christ, he is all
right where his or her eternal salvation is concerned.
There is no believer who does not miss it from time to
time, and in those instances, he has been given First
John 1:9. But let me add that one who has knowledge of
the truth and deliberately chooses to live a lifestyle of
repeated sin, knowing that it is contrary to Gods Word,
incurs the danger of searing his conscience and falling
from grace. However, as long as a person endeavors to
live a life pleasing to God and asks forgiveness when he
sins, he is maintaining fellowship with God. Those who
are in danger of losing their relationship with God are
those who sin willfully with no sense of remorse and no
attitude of repentance for their deeds.

Word of Faith Magazine Sept 2004 pg. 22

followjesus777 · Feb 28, 2006

amdntstr said:
Sins are not "PEELED off". That is not accurate either.
If what you say was true, then it would make the bible a liar.

so then what you are saying is that you are 'perfect without ANY SIN WHATSOEVER sin by your acts' NOW, TODAY, fully aware of every single sin in your life??? Rubbish!

Others are interested sister, you may 'close' yourself off to hearing but you will not grow if you do that. If you Rely on your 'works'/performance of anykind to save you then Scripture says "Christ died for nothing"!

There are rewards in heaven for works but our salvation does not depend on it read Galations when you get a chance!

God bless you!i will pray for you and you can pray for me!PTL! Jesus is Lord!

amdntstr · Feb 28, 2006

followjesus777 said:
so then you are 'perfect' NOW TODAY, fully aware of every single sin in your life??? Rubbish!

Others are interested sister, you may 'close' yourself off to hearing but you will not grow if you do that. Relying on your 'works of anykind' to save you will not save you!

God bless you!i will pray for you and you can pray for me!PTL! Jesus is Lord!

In the eyes of God, Yes I am perfect. I was made perfect by the shedding of Christ's blood. Yep, as long as I repent (turn away from my sins) and ask for forgiveness everytime I slip, yes I am perfect. It is like I have never sinned. I am white as snow.

I close myself off of unbiblical teachings such as what you wish to teach. I think that you need to meditate on the scriptures that have already been shared and ask the HS to speak the truth about it as He did for me. I do not listen to the wisdom of man, but rather the Wisdom of the Word.

Nobody here in WoF has shown any interest and all WoFers here have disputed your false teachings. Not ONE WoFer here has agreed with you. Even Kenneth Hagin disagreed with you. The bible disagrees with you. You are bringing false teachings into a forum who is not interested. The calvanist may be interested, it is after all them who believe in it.

When we are born again, our spirit changes from one of sin to a perfect spirit. We become new men/women. All we have to do is repent and ask for forgiveness and we are made automatically white as snow and cleansed from ALL sin and unrighteousness.

Hey pot, your kettle is calling!!! You who have ignored every scripture that has been brought up, you who has probably ignored my suggestion to read the 2nd and 3rd chapter of Revelations that is talking to the churches, dare to say that I have closed my mind to the Word? Again, pot your kettle is calling......

I dare you to start another thread asking if any WoFers believe in "once saved always saved" or if they believe as I do "we can forfeit our savation through disobedience of the Word and living in sin".

Again I ask, are you really WoF? You do not sound like one.

amdntstr · Feb 28, 2006

hebrews 8:
12 "FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR INIQUITIES, AND I WILL REMEMBER THEIR SINS NO MORE."

followjesus777 · Feb 28, 2006

amdntstr said:
Yep, as long as I repent (turn away from my sins) and ask for forgiveness everytime I slip, yes I am perfect. It is like I have never sinned. I am white as snow.

Asking for forgiveness EVERY SINGLE TIME is impossible. This is not biblical read galations! Then you depend on yourself to save you not Christ !

Enough, prayer required here!

God_Owned · Feb 28, 2006

followjesus777 said:
Asking for forgiveness EVERY SINGLE TIME is impossible. This is not biblical read galations! Then you depend on yourself to save you not Christ !

Enough, prayer required here!

I don't understand why others on this thread haven't put you on ignore!

followjesus777 · Feb 28, 2006

Godown said:
I don't understand why others on this thread haven't put you on ignore!

im sorry i dont know what you mean??? Pls forgive me if i have offended you sister!

God_Owned · Feb 28, 2006

followjesus777 said:
im sorry i dont know what you mean??? Pls forgive me if i have offended you sister!

You may be the only person who didn't get it. lol

amdntstr · Feb 28, 2006

followjesus777 said:
Asking for forgiveness EVERY SINGLE TIME is impossible. This is not biblical read galations! Then you depend on yourself to save you not Christ !

Enough, prayer required here!

You can't gain forgiveness with out asking. It is possible, the HS convicts my spirit that I have sinned and fallen short. I ask forgiveness everynight before I go to sleep for any sins that I have forgotten or done unknown. That is completely biblical. It is what you are told by the bible to do.

If you are WoF then you must not have been one for long.

followjesus777 · Feb 28, 2006

Godown said:
You may be the only person who didn't get it. lol

God bless you Precious sister...it doesnt sound like i have offended you.PTL!

amdntstr · Feb 28, 2006

Godown said:
You may be the only person who didn't get it. lol

amdntstr · Feb 28, 2006

What she doesn't get is that everytime she tries to "teach" she is just showing us how much she DOESN'T know what the bible teaches.

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