Satanic Oppression?

God_Owned · Feb 28, 2006

we are all sinners

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. 2 Corinthians 5:21

You can't be a sinner and the righteousness of God at the same time! You are a sinner before you are born again. When you are born again, you are made the righteousness of God! This is a good thing!

Catherineanne · Feb 28, 2006

amdntstr said:
You either believe all of the scriptures or you don't.

Again, you posts are judgemental and are making judgements on something you know nothing about.

On the second point, you are entitled to your opinion, but if you look your comment is rather ironic.

On the first, I doubt if there is one single person on God's earth who believes all the Scriptures.

Catherineanne · Feb 28, 2006

followjesus777 said:
You are missing the point, you have lost your opportunity to be a witness to him and mentor him.

Did Christ throw the book at the woman caught in sin, Did He 'join the gang' with the stones and accuse her and feel the NEED TO ACCUSE correct and punish her publicly NO! Jesus pointed the finger back at those who were pointing at her ready to stone her and by doing so, loved her and stood up for her and so she listened to Him.

God bless you sister,
lyn

Love comes first, second and third.

Catherineanne · Feb 28, 2006

followjesus777 said:
Thankyou and God bless you for your humility... i see the fruit of the Holy Spirit in you Brother. We both believe what we share is from the Holy Spirit Brother. The Lord knows our hearts.

Have you ever heard the saying that "the Lord gently lovingly leads and the devil pushes and accuses"...

We must be PATIENT and have FAITH....YOU WILL see the Holy Spirit working "only believe"...and Jesus said ..."where is your faith" Prayer is welcomed!

The verse I like to remember is; "A bruised reed he will not break."

I have seen evidence of this in my life, and I try to emulate that for others. I will not tell anyone that what they are doing is sinful. That is not my job. I will try to do what Our Lord did for me, which is to show his love.

Love attracts. Pointing out someone's 'sin' will only push them away. Our Lord might have authority to say when someone is a sinner or not, but I do not, unless I am talking about myself.

amdntstr · Feb 28, 2006

Catherineanne said:
On the second point, you are entitled to your opinion, but if you look your comment is rather ironic.

On the first, I doubt if there is one single person on God's earth who believes all the Scriptures.

I know quite a few people who believe all of the scriptures. Myself included. Matter of fact this is the WOF folder, every WOF believes in ALL of the scriptures.

WOW I can't believe that you don't.

followjesus777 · Feb 28, 2006

Godown said:
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. 2 Corinthians 5:21

You can't be a sinner and the righteousness of God at the same time! You are a sinner before you are born again. When you are born again, you are made the righteousness of God! This is a good thing!

You are correct, however, we are ALL sinners made righteous ONLY by the Blood! We are righteous ONLY By Christ, but we are not free from sin until we are with Him! Yes we do strive to be more and more Christlike and refine our Faith.

it is written...
"If we say we have no sin, we decieve ourselves and the truth is not in us."(1John1:8)

God bless you sister!

followjesus777 · Feb 28, 2006

bill16652 said:
Hebrews 6:4 is the reference

ok...i got a couple of commentaries on that particular verse which i have on email to send to anyone who 'doubts' their Eternal Salvation with 'unbelief'. Until recently i had the same struggle so i have alot of resources to give me and you more faith!PTL! This is way off topic but noone seems to care so i will share if its ok with everyone!

Let me just say...
Eternal salvation is Eternal!
Everlasting life is Everlasting!
God's word is Truth, ALL OF IT! PTL!

...Scripture may appear at times to contradict itself sometimes but it doesnt, it is our perspecitve/interpetation we must correct. im not 'there yet' neither is anyone....the point is we must keep learning and growing and refining our faith everyday...humbly admit when we are wrong and be greatful to God for the new wisdom, insight and understanding we recieve!PTL!

God's wonderful Gifts of Salvation is eternal in everyway!PTL! Scriptural doctrine must be tken as a whole, nor as scattered proff textx. One or two scriptures we do not fully understand must not be used to undermine/deny the one or two hundred passages about ETERNAL Salvation which are VERY CLEAR.

There are others who were truly saved and have backslidden. Yet, God is faithful. He teaches that He deals strongly with His own children(Heb12:5-8) They cannot leave God without chastisement unless they are not God's children. God may even take their lives if they continue purposfully sinning without repentance, but God's promises are true and Salvation IS ETERNAL! Chastisement is God's job by the way, we are not to assume we have been given that position.

God bless i have more to share on eternal salvation, if anyone is interesting send me your email.
Also, i am not quite a Calvanist or Armenian...somewhere in between...i believe we choose God and also Chooses us knowing that we will eventually choose Him. God is not limited by time.
Love in Christ Jesus!

amdntstr · Feb 28, 2006

8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

agreed!! But we have to confess our sins and I have shown scriptures where it also says that we have to repent.

Acts 3:
19 "Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord;

Actual Greek translation of repent is:

to change one's mind, i.e. to repent
to change one's mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one's past sins

You can not continue to live in sin and practice witchcraft and be forgiven. It is that simple.

If I caught my son doing drugs, I would not just sit there and pat him on the back and say "it's ok just because I love you". No I would sit him down and tell him what it did to me. What all I lost and all of the pain that it caused me. If he still insisted that it would be the right thing to do, I would bring up scripture to show where it is wrong. I would also bring up scripture that showed how he could break free and let him know that I am always there for him.

Why? Because I love him and I don't wish him to go through the pain that I and those I know have gone through because of it.

In no way would I ever condone it nor would I let him think that it is OK to do such a thing.

That is love. That is what I have done for Azzy.

I am called as a teacher and I will teach the Word. I will not compromise myself or biblical truth.

I am sorry that you all think that my intentions were not honorable, but I know in my heart that they were and are. I know that everything I taught and tried to show to azzy were done with the intent to help him, to show him a better way. To warn him of what happens when you follow that path, because I have been there. I know what he is playing with and they are not all light and fluff.

I know that the tears I have shed for him are real. I know that the prayers that I offer up to God on his behalf are real and from the heart.

It is almost impossible for me to watch someone do what equals to drinking poison and me not do everything I can and to not pull out all of the stops in order to get them to see that what he is doing is going to cause him so much pain.

It is because I care that I did my best to open his eyes to the truth. Ok I guess my best wasn't good enough. But it was all done in love. My hope is that at least I planted the seeds and that he knows that when he is ready he can come to me for help. He knows that I will always tell the truth. If not me then someone else, as long as he gets the help he is going to need when he finally makes the decision to repent and follow the Word.

followjesus777 · Feb 28, 2006

amdntstr said:
8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

agreed!! But we have to confess our sins and I have shown scriptures where it also says that we have to repent.

Acts 3:
19 "Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord;

Actual Greek translation of repent is:

to change one's mind, i.e. to repent
to change one's mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one's past sins

You can not continue to live in sin and practice witchcraft and be forgiven. It is that simple.

If I caught my son doing drugs, I would not just sit there and pat him on the back and say "it's ok just because I love you". No I would sit him down and tell him what it did to me. What all I lost and all of the pain that it caused me. If he still insisted that it would be the right thing to do, I would bring up scripture to show where it is wrong. I would also bring up scripture that showed how he could break free and let him know that I am always there for him.

Why? Because I love him and I don't wish him to go through the pain that I and those I know have gone through because of it.

In no way would I ever condone it nor would I let him think that it is OK to do such a thing.

That is love. That is what I have done for Azzy.

I am called as a teacher and I will teach the Word. I will not compromise myself or biblical truth.

I am sorry that you all think that my intentions were not honorable, but I know in my heart that they were and are. I know that everything I taught and tried to show to azzy were done with the intent to help him, to show him a better way. To warn him of what happens when you follow that path, because I have been there. I know what he is playing with and they are not all light and fluff.

I know that the tears I have shed for him are real. I know that the prayers that I offer up to God on his behalf are real and from the heart.

It is almost impossible for me to watch someone do what equals to drinking poison and me not do everything I can and to not pull out all of the stops in order to get them to see that what he is doing is going to cause him so much pain.

It is because I care that I did my best to open his eyes to the truth. Ok I guess my best wasn't good enough. But it was all done in love. My hope is that at least I planted the seeds and that he knows that when he is ready he can come to me for help. He knows that I will always tell the truth. If not me then someone else, as long as he gets the help he is going to need when he finally makes the decision to repent and follow the Word.

Beloved sister, please i ask you again, do not assume what i think...i know your intentions are honorable as i have said many times. But not all people can be reached with the fire and brimstone approach. They will close up and not read your posts and not listen to you. Azzy is Growing, he has made changes i assure you! It doesnt always happen overnight(For you or me either!) so we must demonstrate Patience and the other fruits of the Holy Spirit.PTL Jesus! We are all under construction by the Holy Spirit!PTL!
Did Jesus condone 'the sins' of the woman caught in adultry? NOR DO i!

i love you Precious sister. Thankyou for your prayers! Prayer is a Powerful Thing!PTL!
God bless you!
ysic,
lyn

amdntstr · Feb 28, 2006

followjesus777 said:
Beloved sister, please i ask you again, do not assume what i think...i know your intentions are honorable as i have said many times.

Yes, but others have made the assumption that it was not.

But not all people can be reached with the fire and brimstone approach. They will close up and not read your posts and not listen to you.

True, but and this is a big but, if he is going to say that it is right and that it is ok I have a responsiblity to show where it isn't. There is a difference.

Azzy is Growing, he has made changes i assure you! It doesnt always happen overnight(For you or me either!)

If he wasn't going backwards in his walk instead of forwards then you would have an argument there. But he went there to witness and got himself caught up in it. He is now being taught by them. That is the difference.

so we must demonstrate Patience and the other fruits of the Holy Spirit.

I am showing patience, by standing back as I have (I could have continued in PM's since he has Pm'd me more than once) but I haven't. I have spoken the Word and now I am praying that the HS takes over and convicts him. That is all that is left for me to do, as I have already said. It is you all who are keeping this going.

i love you Precious sister. Thankyou for your prayers! Prayer is a Powerful Thing!PTL!
God bless you!
ysic,
lyn

I love you and azzy with the Love of Christ.

followjesus777 · Feb 28, 2006

YOU SAID..."If he wasn't going backwards in his walk instead of forwards then you would have an argument there. But he went there to witness and got himself caught up in it. He is now being taught by them. That is the difference".

Again, i dont think it is wise to presume to KNOW anyone's walk with God, their heart, or the moment of salvation.

YOU SAID..."It is you all who are keeping this going".

i am answering your questions and comments sister as well as others, do you not want me to answer everyones questions?
We are all keeping it going, i cannot do it by myself.

YOU SAID..."I love you and azzy with the Love of Christ".

PRAISE THE LORD JESUS, Thankyou for your kind words i love you too sister!
Be Blessed!(((AMEN)))

SORRY ...im a computer dummy i dont know how to do it properly. sorry bout dat!

followjesus777 · Feb 28, 2006

amdntstr said:
8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

agreed!! But we have to confess our sins and I have shown scriptures where it also says that we have to repent.

Acts 3:
19 "Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord;

Are you saying that if we die with unrepented sins, then Christ's blood was not 'sufficient'?
We will all die with unrepented sins Beloved!
God bless you sweet sister!

amdntstr · Feb 28, 2006

followjesus777 said:
YOU SAID..."If he wasn't going backwards in his walk instead of forwards then you would have an argument there. But he went there to witness and got himself caught up in it. He is now being taught by them. That is the difference".

Again, i dont think it is wise to presume to KNOW anyone's walk with God, their heart, or the moment of salvation.

I didn't presume. It is what he himself has said.

YOU SAID..."I love you and azzy with the Love of Christ".

PRAISE THE LORD JESUS, Thankyou for your kind words i love you too sister!
Be Blessed!(((AMEN)))

SORRY ...im a computer dummy i dont know how to do it properly. sorry bout dat!

Ah you are no dummy, we are all learning.

amdntstr · Feb 28, 2006

followjesus777 said:
Are you saying that if we die with unrepented sins, then Christ's blood was not 'sufficient'?
We will all die with unrepented sins Beloved!
God bless you sweet sister!

Yep, that is what the bible says. We have to turn our backs on sin and DO OUR BEST not to sin again. This does not mean that we will be perfect, but we must strive to be perfect.

There is a difference between living in and continueing IN sin; with doing our best not to sin and making a mistake.

It is all in the intent of our hearts. We can not continue to commit the same sin on a daily basis and expect to be forgiven until we make the decision not to commit the same sin.

Let me try to explain it in another way.

I was delivered from drugs. I made a decision to quit because it was not in line with the Word and it is a sin.

This doesn't mean that I will never slip, but since the intent of my heart is that I repented of it and I turned my back on it, then I will be forgiven for the "slip"

But if I never quit and I still smoked everyday with the thought "well God will forgive me" even though I know that it is a sin, then no I would not be forgiven. I hadn't repented of it and I continued to live in sin.

God_Owned · Feb 28, 2006

followjesus777 said:
You are correct, however, we are ALL sinners made righteous ONLY by the Blood! We are righteous ONLY By Christ, but we are not free from sin until we are with Him! Yes we do strive to be more and more Christlike and refine our Faith.

it is written...

"If we say we have no sin, we decieve ourselves and the truth is not in us."(1John1:8)

God bless you sister!

Yes the Bible says, "If we say we have no sin, we decieve ourselves and the truth is not in us." (1John1:8)

What is being addressed here is the sin nature of our flesh. Paul speaks a lot about this in Romans and how to conquer the flesh. This verse is not saying that you can't be free from sin.

It is written...

Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. Romans 6:18

But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. Romans 6:22
If believe that you are free from sin once you are forgiven. To believe that we aren't free of forgiven sin is what Kenneth Copeland call sin consciousness.
I believe that the Word is clear in that we can be without sin. When we go to God to be forgiven, He takes our sin away by the Blood. If it is taken away then you no longer posses it. Actually the blood of Jesus has paid the price for all of our sin, past, present and future. Still, we must appropriate our forgiveness by confessing our sin to the Father and believe that he is faithful and just to forgive us of our sins.

The error most make when discussing this subject is not discerning the difference between being a sinner and being in sin (having unforgiven sin in our lives).

Sinner = not being born again.
Sinners are headed for hell, no matter what they do if they don't become born again.
Born Again = Christian = Righteousness of God, headed for heaven.
Righteousness of God = Right standing with God.
Born Again + sin does not = sinner.
Born Again + sin = Christian with unforgiven sin.
Christian with persistent unforgiven sin = backslidden Christian.

Well meaning Christians, exercising a sense of false humility, often say that no one is perfect. But God says the following....

Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. Matthew 19:21

Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you. 2 Corinthians 13:11

Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. Philippians 3:15

That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. 2 Timothy 3:17

But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing. James 1:4

followjesus777 · Feb 28, 2006

amdntstr said:
Yep, that is what the bible says. We have to turn our backs on sin and DO OUR BEST not to sin again. This does not mean that we will be perfect, but we must strive to be perfect.

There is a difference between living in and continueing IN sin; with doing our best not to sin and making a mistake.

It is all in the intent of our hearts. We can not continue to commit the same sin on a daily basis and expect to be forgiven until we make the decision not to commit the same sin.

Let me try to explain it in another way.

I was delivered from drugs. I made a decision to quit because it was not in line with the Word and it is a sin.

This doesn't mean that I will never slip, but since the intent of my heart is that I repented of it and I turned my back on it, then I will be forgiven for the "slip"

But if I never quit and I still smoked everyday with the thought "well God will forgive me" even though I know that it is a sin, then no I would not be forgiven. I hadn't repented of it and I continued to live in sin.

This is where you and i must agree to disagree...we will all die with unrepented sins sister...Eternal Salvation is Eternal...one cannot loose the Gift from God He is faithful, even though we are not. He will chasen us for not repenting and may even take our life but He will never leave us nor forsake us!PTL!

If you like i have a few commentaries which support Eternal Salvation. Hundreds of scriptures support this, there are only 2 which make it slightly confusing but i do have some commentaries which make those more clear! But i need your email addy.
BE Blessed! PTL JESUS! His Blood and Grace was sufficient for even me!PTL Jesus!

followjesus777 · Feb 28, 2006

Godown said:
Yes the Bible says, "If we say we have no sin, we decieve ourselves and the truth is not in us." (1John1:8)

What is being addressed here is the sin nature of our flesh. Paul speaks a lot about this in Romans and how to conquer the flesh. This verse is not saying that you can't be free from sin.

It is written...

Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. Romans 6:18

But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. Romans 6:22
If believe that you are free from sin once you are forgiven. To believe that we aren't free of forgiven sin is what Kenneth Copeland call sin consciousness.
I believe that the Word is clear in that we can be without sin. When we go to God to be forgiven, He takes our sin away by the Blood. If it is taken away then you no longer posses it. Actually the blood of Jesus has paid the price for all of our sin, past, present and future. Still, we must appropriate our forgiveness by confessing our sin to the Father and believe that he is faithful and just to forgive us of our sins.

The error most make when discussing this subject is not discerning the difference between being a sinner and being in sin (having unforgiven sin in our lives).

Sinner = not being born again.
Sinners are headed for hell, no matter what they do if they don't become born again.
Born Again = Christian = Righteousness of God, headed for heaven.
Righteousness of God = Right standing with God.
Born Again + sin does not = sinner.
Born Again + sin = Christian with unforgiven sin.
Christian with persistent unforgiven sin = backslidden Christian.

Well meaning Christians, exercising a sense of false humility, often say that no one is perfect. But God says the following....

Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. Matthew 19:21

Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you. 2 Corinthians 13:11

Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. Philippians 3:15

That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. 2 Timothy 3:17

But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing. James 1:4

Are you saying you 'are perfect' in all you do,and in your faith wisdom insight understaning, and all your works sister?

The scripture is saying BE made perfect by the Blood and BE perfected BY AND IN your faith, by The Author and Finisher of our Faith. This happens in part when we accept Him to live in our hearts for He becomes our means of Salvation, not by ANYTHING we do other that the choice to accept Him as our Savior. He is the Author and FINISHER of our faith, we are not. This is A LIFETIME of "Finishing"!

Yes we strive to refine our faith and grow, but our salvation does not rely on our 'performance'. There are humndreds of scriptures to support this, i suggest AN INDEPTH study of Pauls epistle to the Galations..."ONLY BY THE BLOOD NOT by works of anykind!"

If one is relying on 'their works' at all it says... "then Christ died for nothing"
Be Blessed!

amdntstr · Feb 28, 2006

followjesus777 said:
This is where you and i must agree to disagree...we will all die with unrepented sins sister...

No this is where you are wrong. I will not die of unrepented sins. I have turned my back on those sins. I do my best to NEVER sin again.

Eternal Salvation is Eternal...one cannot loose the Gift from God He is faithful, even though we are not. He will chasen us for not repenting and may even take our life but He will never leave us nor forsake us!PTL!

No He will not forsake us, but we can make the decision to not accept Him or follow His Word, it is free will and our choice. I have shown plenty of scripture to back this up.

[/quote]If you like i have a few commentaries which support Eternal Salvation. Hundreds of scriptures support this, there are only 2 which make it slightly confusing but i do have some commentaries which make those more clear! But i need your email addy.
BE Blessed! PTL JESUS! His Blood and Grace was sufficient for even me!PTL Jesus![/QUOTE]

there are more than two that state that you must repent of your sins and that state that you can walk away from the promises. They are not confusing to me.

azzy · Feb 28, 2006

LOL

While you all are still discussing all this,I have told
Wizard Ogre ,who posted on MW,and asked someone to help him find release from a hurt and angry heart,I told him God loved him,and healed my broken heart.

Now I know Im not the best christian in the world,but at least I was there doing what I could.While you all were here arguing with each other,who are already saved.

Now why doesnt anyone join me,perhaps you could help me not to become so bewitched.Show me how to do it.
Im doing it alone right now.I love them,and must do what I can to uplift them,because God gave them to me as friends,to share his great love with them,and I have lots of it bubbling over.

Im not trying to justify witchcraft,I dont have all the answers,and ,yes,the bible is right.

But Im trying,and Im trying alone,I bless,and bless,and bless,and bless,,,and the wicked one hates it.
So long as I have breath in me,I will both love and bless.

And my love will last for ever,because it came from God.
My hands may be dirty,but my soul is clean.

So go walk a mile in my shoes,and perhaps you will see
a little better.

Im not going to live forever you know,and it would be nice to have my friends prayed for when Im gone.
By someone who loved them as much as I do,who wont try to shove the gospel down thier throats,because you can easily choke a person if you are not carefull.

But what do I know,Im an evil satanic witch.

followjesus777 · Feb 28, 2006

azzy said:
LOL

While you all are still discussing all this,I have told
Wizard Ogre ,who posted on MW,and asked someone to help him find release from a hurt and angry heart,I told him God loved him,and healed my broken heart.

Now I know Im not the best christian in the world,but at least I was there doing what I could.While you all were here arguing with each other,who are already saved.

Now why doesnt anyone join me,perhaps you could help me not to become so bewitched.Show me how to do it.
Im doing it alone right now.I love them,and must do what I can to uplift them,because God gave them to me as friends,to share his great love with them,and I have lots of it bubbling over.

Im not trying to justify witchcraft,I dont have all the answers,and ,yes,the bible is right.

But Im trying,and Im trying alone,I bless,and bless,and bless,and bless,,,and the wicked one hates it.
So long as I have breath in me,I will both love and bless.

And my love will last for ever,because it came from God.
My hands may be dirty,but my soul is clean.

So go walk a mile in my shoes,and perhaps you will see
a little better.

Im not going to live forever you know,and it would be nice to have my friends prayed for when Im gone.
By someone who loved them as much as I do,who wont try to shove the gospel down thier throats,because you can easily choke a person if you are not carefull.

But what do I know,Im an evil satanic witch.

no azzy please do not call your self those things even as a joke...people do not know that you are joking!
Please i know your heart for the Lost and KMS AND OTHERS!
No sarcasm!Please it will only cause more arguments!
You have taught me much azzy,PTL!... and iam now lifting those up at Mw. Thankyou for showing me such a humble Heart of Christ! God bless you!
love,
lyn

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