Satanic Oppression?

Isaiah4031nc101 said:

Thanks, I still dont understand what it means though. Maybe you can send a message or something to help me with this.

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OK Word of Faith.

Here is a link Hagin's website. It can explain more about what we believe.

http://www.rhema.org/about/tenets_faith.cfm


It is a charismatic movement that still believes that it is not God's will that we be sick, that through faith we can move mountians (as long as it is within God's will), that the Gifts of the HS are and can be still in use today.

We will have to agree to disagree on this. You can not serve God while at the same time worship demons or practice witchcraft. It is that simple.

When I got hurt by chrisians I went back into paganism. The Lord convicted me of it with His Word. I turned my back on it. He has to be willing to turn his back on paganism. It is that simple.
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Jo 24:

14 Now therefore fear the LORD, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the LORD.

15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
16 And the people answered and said, God forbid that we should forsake the LORD, to serve other gods;
17 For the LORD our God, he it is that brought us up and our fathers out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage, and which did those great signs in our sight, and preserved us in all the way wherein we went, and among all the people through whom we passed:
18 And the LORD drave out from before us all the people, even the Amorites which dwelt in the land: therefore will we also serve the LORD; for he is our God. 19 And Joshua said unto the people, Ye cannot serve the LORD: for he is an holy God; he is a jealous God; he will not forgive your transgressions nor your sins.
20 If ye forsake the LORD, and serve strange gods, then he will turn and do you hurt, and consume you, after that he hath done you good.
21 And the people said unto Joshua, Nay; but we will serve the LORD.
22 And Joshua said unto the people, Ye are witnesses against yourselves that ye have chosen you the LORD, to serve him. And they said, We are witnesses.
23 Now therefore put away, said he, the strange gods which are among you, and incline your heart unto the LORD God of Israel.

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The bible has made it clear that you can not worship both God and the goddess. He has called her many names and not just "wisdom". His user name is a abv. of one of the exact Goddesses that Paul said not to worship.


I will not ever waterdown the bible. Never.

So we will just have to agree to disagree on this. I will never apologize for speaking the Word. I am done with this, it is getting past silly. I will not defend the Word, I do not have to. God said it, I believe it, period!!

amdntstr said:

Christ dying is what saved me. But it is what I do that insures that my spirit goes to heaven. It is complete obedience to God and a willingness to follow His Word that keeps me right with God. You have to cintinue to grow. If I died while I was backsliden, I would not have gone to heaven. If I died while I was a so-so christian, I would not have gone to Heaven. If I died today, I would. I am not perfect, far from it. But I repent everyday of my sins. Repent means to turn away from sin and try your best not to do it anymore. If your are still going to places that is pulling you backwards, then that is not repenting. If you put yourself in a position to be taought that which is clearly against God that is not repenting. You have to make a concious effert to turn your back on sin.

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Were you or are you relying at all on 'your works' or 'following the law' in this life to keep you saved???
sin is sin, commit one you have committed them all according to scripture!
Only God is faithful. PTL Jesus!

followjesus777 said:

Brother, i have asked you to pray about this to the Lord, i have already done so.
In answer to your question NO, i was not immediatly delievered from all sin the day i was saved, and neither is anyone it is a lifetime of refinement as one walks with the Holy Spirit...As i said b4 if one commits one sins one commits them all. Are you saying you have not sinned once since the day you became a believer?

Did you notice that Azzy changed his profile 2 times? He is listening to The Holy Spirit from inside himself and also the one soul that is lovingly mentoring him.

Some precious well intentioned believers have said they are trying to "save azzy from hell" etc. Rubbish! Azzy is already saved By his faith in Jesus Christ and The precious Blood which is the ONLY THING that saves us! He is growing and growing day by day!PTL Jesus!

Azzy loves Jesus! Jesus through The Holy Spirit is quite capable of refining and perfecting azzy's faith IN THE LORD'S TIMING because azzy's heart is right with God. Azzy is humble and willing to learn from those who are walking in Christ's love...forgiveness, mercy, patience, gentleness, kindness etc

i ask again in The Name of Jesus, that you will humbly pray and ask the Lord HIMSELF to show you, if these things i share are Truth. i pray and believe in faith that many can learn a great deal from this thread.PTL Jesus! Amen!

PATIENCE BRETHERN is a fruit of the Holy Spirit...the one who is mentoring is working in the Lord's timing not ours!

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I have prayed about this as well. I again tell you I am not condemen =ing this man. But I still stand in what I feel is the leading of the Holy Ghost. I can not bend the conviction that He has given me because you think I am wrong. And no I have sinned since then but yes I was delived from the things satan afflected me with at the moment I ask Him in my heart. And yes I know what it is to be rejected by christians. My intent is not to send him to hell, and you have never heard me say one time that there is where hes headed. But I do believe some one needs to talk to him. If you dont think so start fellowshipping with the same thing and see how long it last. My pray and desire is that he get out of this mess hes in. Its dangerious deadly and full of deceict. So i guess we will just fold our arms and hope for the best. and I am not accusing nor am I a devil " and the devil pushes and accuses"

Isaiah4031nc101 said:

I have prayed about this as well. I again tell you I am not condemen =ing this man. But I still stand in what I feel is the leading of the Holy Ghost. I can not bend the conviction that He has given me because you think I am wrong. And no I have sinned since then but yes I was delived from the things satan afflected me with at the moment I ask Him in my heart. And yes I know what it is to be rejected by christians. My intent is not to send him to hell, and you have never heard me say one time that there is where hes headed. But I do believe some one needs to talk to him. If you dont think so start fellowshipping with the same thing and see how long it last. My pray and desire is that he get out of this mess hes in. Its dangerious deadly and full of deceict. So i guess we will just fold our arms and hope for the best. and I am not accusing nor am I a devil " and the devil pushes and accuses"

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i didnt say you were of the devil ... that saying is to keep us believers in check from our flesh.

yes, i agree to disagree with you about certain things.

"Brethern, the Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit, Amen"(Gal6:18; 2Tim4:22; Philemon1:25: Peter1:2)
God bless you, Love in Christ beloved! PTL Jesus!
"You will know them by their fruits!"

followjesus777 said:

Where you or are you relying at all on 'your works' or 'following the law' in this life to keep you saved???

Only God is faithful. PTL Jesus!

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Neither. It is God's Grace that forgives me when I repent. But I still have to repent and turn away from sin. I still have to do everything I can to stay away from sin.

Grace does not mean that we can do whatever we like "just because God will forgive us". It all comes down to our hearts and whether or not we are doing our best not to sin. This does not mean that we are perfect, but rather, we are doing our best to be perfect.

This involves following the HS and the Word.

Hebrews 4:11-16
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.


I believe that the intents of our hearts matter more than anything else. If a person is doing their best to not sin, God knows it.

My point was that we have to repent and turn away from sin. We have to be willing to do or not to do what the bible says. We are responsible for what we know and what we are taught.

i agree with what you said here PTL!...

Now i have one more question. What happens when a believer in the Attoning Blood of Christ dies with
unrepented sin?

Is Christs blood sufficient???

followjesus777 said:

i didnt say you were of the devil ... that saying is to keep us believers in check from our flesh.

yes, i agree to disagree with you about certain things.

"Brethern, the Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit, Amen"(Gal6:18; 2Tim4:22; Philemon1:25: Peter1:2)
God bless you, Love in Christ beloved! PTL Jesus!
"You will know them by their fruits!"

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Dear sister I have pastored for 12 yrs, I have preached in meetings in the Phillippines to South Korea, all over this country up and down the eastern seabroad to fatherest places in the south, and your prayer for me is to change my mind on how I share thing. You see if your prayer is answered in the way that you desire it I cannot look at 2 Tim 4 1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.and be charged by The Word of God. I may as will tear that part out cause you have redender it useless. But I will stand on His words, and the fruits you can posses them and still be agaisnt the evils of this world.

Isaiah4031nc101 said:

Dear sister I have pastored for 12 yrs, I have preached in meetings in the Phillippines to South Korea, all over this country up and down the eastern seabroad to fatherest places in the south, and your prayer for me is to change my mind on how I share thing. You see if your prayer is answered in the way that you desire it I cannot look at 2 Tim 4 1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.and be charged by The Word of God. I may as will tear that part out cause you have redender it useless. But I will stand on His words, and the fruits you can posses them and still be agaisnt the evils of this world.

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We all have things to learn Beloved you me and azzy. We will all answer to God for our every word Brother! And the manner we present them. There is not 1 scripture that is not given by God. If they become usless it is of our own doing in the manner in which we present them.

Truth and Love...we cannot forsake one for the other! How deep, how wide, how long, is the love of Christ?

i thought we had agreed to disagree?
God bless us all with overflowing abundance of THE 'fruit' of His Holy Spirit! (Let it be so!)PTL Jesus!
"We will know them by their fruits"
ysic,
lyn

Some precious well intentioned believers have said they are trying to "save azzy from hell"

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Just because you are born again does not mean that you are saved from hell. It doesn't work that way. I have posted plenty of scripture that show this.

1 Timothy 5:17-25
20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

1 John 5:
14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.
16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. 19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. 20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. 21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

Unrighteousness does not equal sin, though it is a sin. Here is the Greek translation:

Strong's Number: 93 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
ajdikiva from (94)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Adikia 1:153,22
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
ad-ee-kee'-ah Noun Feminine

Definition
unrighteousness of heart and life
a deed violating law and justice, act of unrighteousness

2 peter2:
14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

There is a huge difference between walking in unrighteousness and occasionally sinning.

Now i have one more question. What happens when a believer in the Attoning Blood of Christ dies with
unrepented sin?

Is Christs blood sufficient???

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Nope.

Matt 7:
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.


Even God used an ass, but the ass isn't saved. You can not prophesy in His name unless you are born again. These are people who were born again and refused to follow after Jesus and His Word.

amdntstr said:

Just because you are born again does not mean that you are saved from hell. It doesn't work that way. I have posted plenty of scripture that show this.

1 Timothy 5:17-25
20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

1 John 5:
14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.
16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. 19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. 20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. 21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

Unrighteousness does not equal sin, though it is a sin. Here is the Greek translation:

Strong's Number: 93 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
ajdikiva from (94)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Adikia 1:153,22
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
ad-ee-kee'-ah Noun Feminine

Definition
unrighteousness of heart and life
a deed violating law and justice, act of unrighteousness

2 peter2:
14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

There is a huge difference between walking in unrighteousness and occasionally sinning.

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There is nothing eternal about Salvation if there were any chance one could loose it...but that is a whole different debate...Perhaps then you would pray for me and azzy...Im sure we agree there is Power in Prayer.
Love in Christ!

amdntstr said:

Nope.

Matt 7:
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.


Even God used an ass, but the ass isn't saved. You can not prophesy in His name unless you are born again. These are people who were born again and refused to follow after Jesus and His Word.

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"THOSE who do not love do not know God"...those are the ones that scripture refers to beloved. The religious leaders that follow the law were without love and the Holy Spirit, but the humble tax collector that doesnt rely on his works to save him but ONLY the Blood of Christ! Those are the ones that will Grow in the Lord, the humble in heart!
Love in Christ!

"Without love ALL IS MEANINGLESS"!

Without getting into a deep spiritual; debate let me say that man is a triune being just as God is, body, soul, spirit. The verse referred to earlier tells us that not all sin is unto death (spiritual death). Sometimes the body must be destroyed inorder to save the soul. Quick answer to dying in unrepented sin, if it is willful then no you will not enter the kingdom. Repent means to be sorrowful for and turn away. Does not mean you will not do it again but it should mean that you will do it less until you do it no more. This is why no man can judge another because only God knows the heart but we must work out our salvation with fear and trembling.

Jesus also said those who love will obey me.

bill16652 said:

Without getting into a deep spiritual; debate let me say that man is a triune being just as God is, body, soul, spirit. The verse referred to earlier tells us that not all sin is unto death (spiritual death). Sometimes the body must be destroyed inorder to save the soul. Quick answer to dying in unrepented sin, if it is willful then no you will not enter the kingdom. Repent means to be sorrowful for and turn away. Does not mean you will not do it again but it should mean that you will do it less until you do it no more. This is why no man can judge another because only God knows the heart but we must work out our salvation with fear and trembling.

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Yes i agree, if we continue to live in sin and do not repent the Lord will chasen us and may even take our life but He will never leave us nor forsake us!
PATIENCE...its a fruit of the Holy Spirit!
Love in Christ!

bill16652 said:

Jesus also said those who love will obey me.

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Yes but non are perfect pls we are are learning and growing day by day...remember the way you judge you will also be judged!

We may have to agree to disagree because it sounds to me like you believe in once saved always saved which I do not. If you dont believe that way then think about what you just said because it is saying to me live as i want and as long as i have love I will be saved but the bible tells me otherwise

followjesus777 said:

Yes but non are perfect pls we are are learning and growing day by day...remember the way you judge you will also be judged!

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That is not a judgement but a quote from Jesus Himself

bill16652 said:

We may have to agree to disagree because it sounds to me like you believe in once saved always saved which I do not. If you dont believe that way then think about what you just said because it is saying to me live as i want and as long as i have love I will be saved but the bible tells me otherwise

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If JESUS the Holy Spirit lives in you HE WILL PERFECT your faith beloved, you do not do it yourself!
He IS Faithful! He will NEVER leave you nor forsake you...salvation IS ETERNAL...no one can snatch you from His hand not even yourself! PTL Jesus!
God bless you!