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Santa Claus is Satan

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Well, its that time again when pagan holidays or "Holy Days" are quickly approching. None of this stuff is holy, it's pagan and offensive to God.

Yes, Santa is satan. Read the article below if you don't believe me. The holidays are drawing near, are you going to take a stand against paganism this year?

Santa Claus -THE GREAT IMPOSTER! -by Terry Watkins

How about halloween or easter? Nothing "Holy" about them either. Read more here: Pagan Christian Holidays

Do your homework, know what you're participating in. God gives us very explicit directions in His word the Bible concerning these things.

2 Corinthians 6:17 - Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

2 Corinthians 6:16 -And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols?
 

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Well, its that time again when pagan holidays or "Holy Days" are quickly approching. None of this stuff is holy, it's pagan and offensive to God.
Well, there had to be someone here who felt that they were holy enough to tell God what is offensive to him.:doh:
 
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Its just sunk in, Satan is not real?
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Well, there had to be someone here who felt that they were holy enough to tell God what is offensive to him.:doh:

The Bible makes it very clear that paganism is offensive to God. But, you are free to believe what you want, and celebrate what you want. It's your choice.

I choose not to participate in these things as I feel they do not bring pleasure and glory to God when mixed with paganism.

Personal choice, but you seem to have a personal problem with me and everything that I post. If you do, take it to me in a PM. Or better yet, take it to God in prayer because it could be a stumbling block for you. :amen:
 
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If you believe that Christmas is a pagan celebration, then don't celebrate it. Nobody is forcing you to. For those of us who celebrate the Nativity of Christ on that day, let's celebrate it with joy. However, there are Orthodox who use the Old Calendar and celebrate it on January 7. For those of you who are afraid that the celebration of Christmas on December 25th is a pagan holiday/custom, celebrate it on Jan. 7th instead.
 
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Well, its that time again when pagan holidays or "Holy Days" are quickly approching. None of this stuff is holy, it's pagan and offensive to God.

Yes, Santa is satan. Read the article below if you don't believe me. The holidays are drawing near, are you going to take a stand against paganism this year?

Santa Claus -THE GREAT IMPOSTER! -by Terry Watkins

How about halloween or easter? Nothing "Holy" about them either. Read more here: Pagan Christian Holidays

Do your homework, know what you're participating in. God gives us very explicit directions in His word the Bible concerning these things.

2 Corinthians 6:17 - Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

2 Corinthians 6:16 -And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols?
I couldn't read that link...they actually tried to use the excuse that Santa can be turned into satan by moving the letter n....no way.

Santa is a historically true person...St. Nicholas...nothing evil about that.
 
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The advent season is one of fasting, prayer, etc. We are not to make merry, as it were. Christmas Eve is supposed to be a strict fast day for the faithful. Holy Nativity is spent at church, celebrating Divine Liturgy.

Saint Nicholas, the Bishop of Myra, gave away his wealth to the less fortunate. He would likely be horrified that in the West, he's been reduced to a myth who brings frivolous things to those who aren't even in need.

The perversion, consumerism, and complete secularization of the Holy Day is very sad and unfortunate.

Also, Pascha is the Feast of Feasts where we celebrate the Resurrection of Christ. I didn't read your link- but this easter goddess stuff is patently false and has nothing to do with how the Church celebrates Pascha. I feel compelled to point out that in Latin it is referred to as Pascha or Festa Paschalia. Actually, so far as I know, English and German are the only two languages that refer to Easter/Ostern.

Just as an example of how other languages refer to the Resurrection:
Albanian: Pashket
Arabic: Aid ul-Fish
Bosnian: Uskrs/Vaskrs (literally 'resurrection')
Chinese: Fuhuo Jie (Resurrection Festival)
Croatian: Uskrs
Dutch: Pasen or Paasfeest
French: Paques
Greek: Paskha
Hebrew: Pascha
Italian: Pasqua
Japanese: Fukkatsu-sai (Resurrection Festival)
Persian: Pas'h
Polish: Pascha
Romanian: Paste
Russian: Paskha
Spanish: Pascua
Turkish: Paskalya
Serbian: Uskrs/Vaskrs
Slovak: Vel'ka' Noc (The Great Night)
Ukranian: Paska

Oh, and Pascha baskets? It's filled with foods we don't eat during Great Lent. That is all. It's also been much commercialized in the West. As a parish, our priest blesses the baskets and we break the fast together in a huge to-do 'till like four somethingish in the morning- after we've been in Church celebrating the Feast of Feasts! It's the most awesome thing ever- you're really missing out. NOTHING else I've ever experienced in any kind of church even REMOTELY compares to Pascha in an Orthodox Church.

On Holy Days we celebrate the liturgy. I didn't realize that the Eucharist was considered pagan by some. I need to be there for the body and blood of Christ, the fountain of immortality.
 
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The legend of Santa Claus is based on the very real and the much revered Saint Nicholas. A Greek bishop who serves as a model for Santa Claus by the many accounts of his secret givings.


Commemorated on December 6

Saint Nicholas, the Wonderworker, Archbishop of Myra in Lycia is famed as a great saint pleasing unto God. He was born in the city of Patara in the region of Lycia (on the south coast of the Asia Minor peninsula), and was the only son of pious parents Theophanes and Nonna, who had vowed to dedicate him to God.

As the fruit of the prayer of his childless parents, the infant Nicholas from the very day of his birth revealed to people the light of his future glory as a wonderworker. His mother, Nonna, after giving birth was immediately healed from illness. The newborn infant, while still in the baptismal font, stood on his feet three hours, without support from anyone, thereby honoring the Most Holy Trinity. St Nicholas from his infancy began a life of fasting, and on Wednesdays and Fridays he would not accept milk from his mother until after his parents had finished their evening prayers.

From his childhood Nicholas thrived on the study of Divine Scripture; by day he would not leave church, and by night he prayed and read books, making himself a worthy dwelling place for the Holy Spirit. Bishop Nicholas of Patara rejoiced at the spiritual success and deep piety of his nephew. He ordained him a reader, and then elevated Nicholas to the priesthood, making him his assistant and entrusting him to instruct the flock.

In serving the Lord the youth was fervent of spirit, and in his proficiency with questions of faith he was like an Elder, who aroused the wonder and deep respect of believers. Constantly at work and vivacious, in unceasing prayer, the priest Nicholas displayed great kind-heartedness towards the flock, and towards the afflicted who came to him for help, and he distributed all his inheritance to the poor.

There was a certain formerly rich inhabitant of Patara, whom St Nicholas saved from great sin. The man had three grown daughters, and in desparation he planned to sell their bodies so they would have money for food. The saint, learning of the man's poverty and of his wicked intention, secretly visited him one night and threw a sack of gold through the window. With the money the man arranged an honorable marriage for his daughter. St Nicholas also provided gold for the other daughters, thereby saving the family from falling into spiritual destruction. In bestowing charity, St Nicholas always strove to do this secretly and to conceal his good deeds.

The Bishop of Patara decided to go on pilgrimage to the holy places at Jerusalem, and entrusted the guidance of his flock to St Nicholas, who fulfilled this obedience carefully and with love. When the bishop returned, Nicholas asked his blessing for a pilgrimage to the Holy Land. Along the way the saint predicted a storm would arise and threaten the ship. St Nicholas saw the devil get on the ship, intending to sink it and kill all the passengers. At the entreaty of the despairing pilgrims, he calmed the waves of the sea by his prayers. Through his prayer a certain sailor of the ship, who had fallen from the mast and was mortally injured was also restored to health.

When he reached the ancient city of Jerusalem and came to Golgotha, St Nicholas gave thanks to the Savior. He went to all the holy places, worshiping at each one. One night on Mount Sion, the closed doors of the church opened by themselves for the great pilgrim. Going round the holy places connected with the earthly service of the Son of God, St Nicholas decided to withdraw into the desert, but he was stopped by a divine voice urging him to return to his native country. He returned to Lycia, and yearning for a life of quietude, the saint entered into the brotherhood of a monastery named Holy Sion, which had been founded by his uncle. But the Lord again indicated another path for him, "Nicholas, this is not the vineyard where you shall bear fruit for Me. Return to the world, and glorify My Name there." So he left Patara and went to Myra in Lycia.

Upon the death of Archbishop John, Nicholas was chosen as Bishop of Myra after one of the bishops of the Council said that a new archbishop should be revealed by God, not chosen by men. One of the elder bishops had a vision of a radiant Man, Who told him that the one who came to the church that night and was first to enter should be made archbishop. He would be named Nicholas. The bishop went to the church at night to await Nicholas. The saint, always the first to arrive at church, was stopped by the bishop. "What is your name, child?" he asked. God's chosen one replied, "My name is Nicholas, Master, and I am your servant."

After his consecration as archbishop, St Nicholas remained a great ascetic, appearing to his flock as an image of gentleness, kindness and love for people. This was particularly precious for the Lycian Church during the persecution of Christians under the emperor Diocletian (284-305). Bishop Nicholas, locked up in prison together with other Christians for refusing to worship idols, sustained them and exhorted them to endure the fetters, punishment and torture. The Lord preserved him unharmed. Upon the accession of St Constantine (May 21) as emperor, St Nicholas was restored to his flock, which joyfully received their guide and intercessor.

Despite his great gentleness of spirit and purity of heart, St Nicholas was a zealous and ardent warrior of the Church of Christ. Fighting evil spirits, the saint made the rounds of the pagan temples and shrines in the city of Myra and its surroundings, shattering the idols and turning the temples to dust.

In the year 325 St Nicholas was a participant in the First Ecumenical Council. This Council proclaimed the Nicean Symbol of Faith, and he stood up against the heretic Arius with the likes of Sts Sylvester the Bishop of Rome (January 2), Alexander of Alexandria (May 29), Spyridon of Trimythontos (December 12) and other Fathers of the Council.

St Nicholas, fired with zeal for the Lord, assailed the heretic Arius with his words, and also struck him upon the face. For this reason, he was deprived of the emblems of his episcopal rank and placed under guard. But several of the holy Fathers had the same vision, seeing the Lord Himself and the Mother of God returning to him the Gospel and omophorion. The Fathers of the Council agreed that the audacity of the saint was pleasing to God, and restored the saint to the office of bishop.

Having returned to his own diocese, the saint brought it peace and blessings, sowing the word of Truth, uprooting heresy, nourishing his flock with sound doctrine, and also providing food for their bodies.

Even during his life the saint worked many miracles. One of the greatest was the deliverance from death of three men unjustly condemned by the Governor, who had been bribed. The saint boldly went up to the executioner and took his sword, already suspended over the heads of the condemned. The Governor, denounced by St Nicholas for his wrong doing, repented and begged for forgiveness.

Witnessing this remarkable event were three military officers, who were sent to Phrygia by the emperor Constantine to put down a rebellion. They did not suspect that soon they would also be compelled to seek the intercession of St Nicholas. Evil men slandered them before the emperor, and the officers were sentenced to death. Appearing to St Constantine in a dream, St Nicholas called on him to overturn the unjust sentence of the military officers.

He worked many other miracles, and struggled many long years at his labor. Through the prayers of the saint, the city of Myra was rescued from a terrible famine. He appeared to a certain Italian merchant and left him three gold pieces as a pledge of payment. He requested him to sail to Myra and deliver grain there. More than once, the saint saved those drowning in the sea, and provided release from captivity and imprisonment.

Having reached old age, St Nicholas peacefully fell asleep in the Lord. His venerable relics were preserved incorrupt in the local cathedral church and flowed with curative myrrh, from which many received healing. In the year 1087, his relics were transferred to the Italian city of Bari, where they rest even now (See May 9).

The name of the great saint of God, the hierarch and wonderworker Nicholas, a speedy helper and suppliant for all hastening to him, is famed in every corner of the earth, in many lands and among many peoples. In Russia there are a multitude of cathedrals, monasteries and churches consecrated in his name. There is, perhaps, not a single city without a church dedicated to him.

The first Russian Christian prince Askold (+ 882) was baptized in 866 by Patriarch Photius (February 6) with the name Nicholas. Over the grave of Askold, St Olga (July 11) built the first temple of St Nicholas in the Russian Church at Kiev. Primary cathedrals were dedicated to St Nicholas at Izborsk, Ostrov, Mozhaisk, and Zaraisk. At Novgorod the Great, one of the main churches of the city, the Nikolo-Dvorischensk church, later became a cathedral.

Famed and venerable churches and monasteries dedicated to St Nicholas are found at Kiev, Smolensk, Pskov, Toropetsa, Galich, Archangelsk, Great Ustiug, Tobolsk. Moscow had dozens of churches named for the saint, and also three monasteries in the Moscow diocese: the Nikolo-Greek (Staryi) in the Chinese-quarter, the Nikolo-Perervinsk and the Nikolo-Ugreshsk. One of the chief towers of the Kremlin was named the Nikolsk.

Many of the churches devoted to the saint were those established at market squares by Russian merchants, sea-farers and those who traveled by land, venerating the wonderworker Nicholas as a protector of all those journeying on dry land and sea. They sometimes received the name among the people of "Nicholas soaked."

Many village churches in Russia were dedicated to the wonderworker Nicholas, venerated by peasants as a merciful intercessor before the Lord for all the people in their work. And in the Russian land St Nicholas did not cease his intercession. Ancient Kiev preserves the memory about the miraculous rescue of a drowning infant by the saint. The great wonderworker, hearing the grief-filled prayers of the parents for the loss of their only child, took the infant from the waters, revived him and placed him in the choir-loft of the church of Holy Wisdom (Hagia Sophia) before his wonderworking icon. In the morning the infant was found safe by his thrilled parents, praising St Nicholas the Wonderworker.

Many wonderworking icons of St Nicholas appeared in Russia and came also from other lands. There is the ancient Byzantine embordered image of the saint, brought to Moscow from Novgorod, and the large icon painted in the thirteenth century by a Novgorod master.

Two depictions of the wonderworker are especially numerous in the Russian Church: St Nicholas of Zaraisk, portrayed in full-length, with his right hand raised in blessing and with a Gospel (this image was brought to Ryazan in 1225 by the Byzantine Princess Eupraxia, the future wife of Prince Theodore. She perished in 1237 with her husband and infant son during the incursion of Batu); and St Nicholas of Mozhaisk, also in full stature, with a sword in his right hand and a city in his left. This recalls the miraculous rescue of the city of Mozhaisk from an invasion of enemies, through the prayers of the saint. It is impossible to list all the grace-filled icons of St Nicholas, or to enumerate all his miracles.

St Nicholas is the patron of travelers, and we pray to him for deliverance from floods, poverty, or any misfortunes. He has promised to help those who remember his parents, Theophanes and Nonna.

St Nicholas is also commemorated on May 9 (The transfer of his relics) and on July 29 (his nativity).

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The legend of Santa Claus is based on the very real and the much revered Saint Nicholas. A Greek bishop who serves as a model for Santa Claus by the many accounts of his secret givings.


So what does the real Saint Nicholas have to do with some big guy in a red suit and hat, that flies around in the sky in a sleigh pulled by magical reindeer, and mythological elves?

Not to mention that he breaks into people's houses and scares little children and parents actually lie to their children which is a whole other issue.

Where does the yule log, mistle toe, christmas tree, and many other traditional christmas things come from? Ancient paganism.
 
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BTW, Lisa-Lisa- you've just lost major credibility points. Your link references Alexander Hislop's The Two Babylons. It is a book whose author made up source citations and was thoroughly debunked by someone who actually checked his sources. The thing is, the poor guy who checked the sources was hoping Hislop to be right, and sadly found he wasn't.
 
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So what does the real Saint Nicholas have to do with some big guy in a red suit and hat, that flies around in the sky in a sleigh pulled by magical reindeer, and mythological elves?

Not to mention that he breaks into people's houses and scares little children and parents actually lie to their children which is a whole other issue.

Where does the yule log, mistle toe, christmas tree, and many other traditional christmas things come from? Ancient paganism.

Unfortunately Santa Claus is now portrayed as a man who rewards spoiled children with every material items that they desire. However it is the responsibility of every parent to teach their child about the model exemplified by the real St. Nicholas who gave his wealth freely to the poor and needy with no desire for reward or acclaim.

Christmas should be celebrated as truly a day in remembrance of that which Christ taught us, 'love our neighbor as ourselves' and 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.' Hence Christmas should be a day of 'giving' to the much broader family that extends to the whole of humanity. Perhaps we should all consider giving of our money and/or time to help the less fortunate this Christmas season.
 
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