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Define kiss? Are we talking european-style kiss as greeting, or is it the 'french' style man-on-man, woman-on-woman action you mean? I suspect the latter.
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I'm talking about any kind of kisses. But obviously I'm more interested about kisses as a sign of affection.Sycophant said:
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an7222 said:
Well, I can't say anything immoral about any consential form of affection.
Although all those european soccor players kissing each other after they score a goal is a little odd perhaps. And I never know what to do with I meet a french or italian man - they have that whole cheek-kissing greeting thing, again a little unusual for me, but not immoral.
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Kissing another male as a show of affection is rare among North Americans. Father and son, grandchild/grandparent, that's the most common form or male/male kissing.
If the kiss is to show respect and/or affection without implying sexual desire (as with the traditional European/Middle Eastern cheek kisses), nothing immoral about that (one assumes here that both parties are consenting to the act; a Christian who comes from a culture that practices this sort of kissing should try to make sure the person they're attempting with is comfortable with such an act).
Same sex kissing to arouse ardour (spl? too lazy to reach over a lousy 2 ft. for a dictionary) among the same sex is immoral, just as heterosexual kissing outside of marriage would be (i.e., the intent is to arouse passion for the person kissing/being kissed, not to simply show affection or respect).
If the kiss is to show respect and/or affection without implying sexual desire (as with the traditional European/Middle Eastern cheek kisses), nothing immoral about that (one assumes here that both parties are consenting to the act; a Christian who comes from a culture that practices this sort of kissing should try to make sure the person they're attempting with is comfortable with such an act).
Same sex kissing to arouse ardour (spl? too lazy to reach over a lousy 2 ft. for a dictionary) among the same sex is immoral, just as heterosexual kissing outside of marriage would be (i.e., the intent is to arouse passion for the person kissing/being kissed, not to simply show affection or respect).
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Why kissing to arouse ardor is immoral if it's consented and harms nobody?Buzz Dixon said:
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Yeah we had this problem with a friend I hadn't seen a long time. We cheek-kissed and everybody (English/Scots) looked at us. LOL. Guess its a cultural thing.
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It is not immoral for the same sex to kiss. In the Word of God it is written to greet one another with a holy kiss.
As for morality in general ask this: does a thing taken to it's end cause better relationships or worse? Does it benefit those involved and change them for the better or others? Does it harm those involved and change them for the worse or others?
Not everything is good (everyone should do this) or evil (no one should do this). Some things are quite neutral.
As for morality in general ask this: does a thing taken to it's end cause better relationships or worse? Does it benefit those involved and change them for the better or others? Does it harm those involved and change them for the worse or others?
Not everything is good (everyone should do this) or evil (no one should do this). Some things are quite neutral.
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So, can I use these same arguments to say that there's nothing wrong with same sex sex?FadingWhispers3 said:
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I kiss both men and women just before we approach the altar to celebrate the Holy Eucharist - it is part of a liturgical tradition, and a sign of forgiveness and community.
As an act of ardor with another man, I will reserve that for my partner.
As an act of ardor with another man, I will reserve that for my partner.
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Volos said:CT!
sorry to make ya blush, buddy --- sometimes I get carried away!
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Because heterosexual or homosexual, we are not to casually or promiscuously engage in sexual relations. To do so makes it more difficult to form long term monogamous bonds. If the kissers are of the same sex, it's a misuse of their sexuality. If they are of the opposite sex, but one of then is encumbered, underage, or incompetent, it is adultery, betrayal, or exploitation.an7222 said:
Actions have consequences, and it would really be nice to indulge our appetites without being held accountable, but it ain't gonna happen in this universe.
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Ok. But supose they are not promiscuous and that they are doing that with a loved one. Is something immoral with that? Why should they refrain their natural desires just because the other is of the same sex? And what if they only want to make sex with the one He/She loves? Are they condemned to live without sex forever? What would you do if you couldn't make sex with your loved one?Buzz Dixon said:
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an7222 said:
No you can't. The Bible talks about kissing as a form of greeting or affection, no more. Where sex is concerned it was the first command from God and it carried a purpose - be fruitful. Gen 1:28. As you can see reading the Genesis account marriage and sex carried a purpose of reproduction as the prime motive.
Same sex sex as you call it is an insult and violation of the prime directive of Gen 1:28
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But I am not a Deist, let alone Christian. To convince me of that you would have to convince me first to be believe the Bible is the only trustfull guide regarding morality and why. Would you have a non-biblical argument?mawuvi said:
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Why do you want a non-biblical argument on a Christian website from Christians on such a topic? Are you out to trap us somehow? if you want a non-biblical argument this site is not the place for it, any general discussion board would do fine.an7222 said:
Incase it has escaped your notice Christians are supposed to be soldiers of Christ and our spiritual amour is the Bible. Would you go to an Army barracks and urge soldiers against using Military logic and tactics to defend themselves? It is disingenuous to say the least to come to a Christian website and ask Christians to throw away what defines them as a religion before embarking on a discussion that ridicules their core beliefs.
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