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They are unsaved, and it is too late for them to change.
We need to actively repent of our continual sinful nature or we risk losing Salvation...Also may I add to FreeGrace2's response, what exactly is the "something" that must be done? How much of that "something" is required? What intensity of "something" is required? Is there a time period in which that "something" is helpful or not?
I believe that Jesus in the Bible said "Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God" Jn 3:3 nothing said that a man must show "something" to indicate faith to other men. I think that outward signs of faith are an area that requires caution. Matt 23:5 Note I'm not saying don't perform good works rather I'm trying to say that we cannot buy our salvation with good works (something), that would void salvation by grace alone.
Could you provide a verse that backs up your claim here?We need to actively repent of our continual sinful nature or we risk losing Salvation...
Could you provide a verse that backs up your claim here?
In fact, Jesus stated very clearly and straightforward that those He gives eternal life shall never perish. John 10:28
Your claim is directly opposed to what Jesus taught. Think about it.
This verse doesn't support your claim.“See then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off” (Rom. 11:22; see also Heb. 10:26–29, 2 Pet. 2:20–21).
So you think John 10:28 isn't crystal clear???Clear as crystal. If we fall away we will be cut off...
footnote: note "... in that verse..." as if to ignore much Scripture* just to try to make a point of opinion.I guess you didn't think about the fact that your view is in direct opposition to what Jesus taught in that verse.
Once given the gift of eternal life, the recipient SHALL NEVER PERISH. That IS what Jesus taught.
Your grave error is the arrogance of the person who thinks they have Salvation in the bag and that's that.I asked:
"Could you provide a verse that backs up your claim here?
In fact, Jesus stated very clearly and straightforward that those He gives eternal life shall never perish. John 10:28
Your claim is directly opposed to what Jesus taught. Think about it."
This verse doesn't support your claim.
The words "cut off" in the OT (Hebrews) referred to physical death. Not going to hell.
So you think John 10:28 isn't crystal clear???
I guess you didn't think about the fact that your view is in direct opposition to what Jesus taught in that verse.
Once given the gift of eternal life, the recipient SHALL NEVER PERISH. That IS what Jesus taught.
It's only opinion when a poster cannot provide a clearly stated verse, with plain words, that actually do support their claim."support your claim".....
or "does not support your claim" ...
hmmm...... isn't that all, on this forum, a MATTER OF OPINION ? Other people say the opposite, right?
I fully agree. And His opinion, if you want to call it that, is that those He gives eternal life, shall never perish.footnote: note "... in that verse..." as if to ignore much Scripture* just to try to make a point of opinion.
*where Jesus DOES teach that which people reject today....
Jesus opinion is the ONLY ONE that really matters....
The grave error", my friend, is on you. Thinking that there is anything YOU can do to undo what God perfectly did.Your grave error is the arrogance of the person who thinks they have Salvation in the bag and that's that.
What you have failed to prove is that "cut off" means "go to hell", or "lose salvation".Both Romans and Hebrews clearly show that anyone who falls away will be cut off.
I believe every book in the Bible is God breathed.Do you believe the Book of Hebrews is God breathed..?
That is still opinion.It's only opinion when a poster cannot provide a clearly stated verse, with plain words, that actually do support their claim.
No.I believe every book in the Bible is God breathed.
Why don't YOU believe that John 10:28 is God breathed?
That's the question.
Not at all, but this is something perhaps enlightening to consider/ see/ pray for ....The grave error", my friend, is on you. Thinking that there is anything YOU can do to undo what God perfectly did.
"If a man does not abide in me, he is cast forth as a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire and burned” (John 15:2, 6)The grave error", my friend, is on you. Thinking that there is anything YOU can do to undo what God perfectly did.
And how is it NOT an act of brutal arrogance to ARGUE with Jesus about recipients of eternal life? He said they SHALL NEVER PERISH.
Those who think salvation can be lost believe that recipients of eternal life CAN perish.
Show me where CAN and SHALL NEVER mean the same thing.
What you have failed to prove is that "cut off" means "go to hell", or "lose salvation".
Just read the OT. The words "cut off" referred to physical death.
I believe every book in the Bible is God breathed.
Why don't YOU believe that John 10:28 is God breathed?
That's the question.
It appears from your response to my post that you DO believe that recipients of eternal life can perish.No.
That's simply your opinion, posted frequently, apparently while ignoring "every book in the Bible"... in spite of your claims otherwise.
It looks like from your posts that what does not fit your scheme of things, is conveniently ignored.
Uh, what in the world are you trying to say? Could you just speak plainly?Not at all, but this is something perhaps enlightening to consider/ see/ pray for ....
Whatever most everyone on earth THINKS GOD DID, is not true.
Even a lot of Christians "are sure" GOD DID something, and they find out , HOPEFULLY in this life, that what they were taught was wrong.
Multitudes don't find out a vital matter UNTIL JUDGMENT DAY - multitudes who THINK they KNEW what GOD DID, but He Did not , and they are told, too late too change, bye!
The clarity is in how "cut off" would be understood by Hebrew believers."If a man does not abide in me, he is cast forth as a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire and burned” (John 15:2, 6)
If we turn away we will be cut off and thrown into the fire. What more clarity do you need..?
ooops...We KNOW what Jesus said. Recipients of eternal life SHALL NEVER PERISH. John 10:28
Do you believe what Jesus said about recipients in John 10:28 or not?
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