Salvation? Bad thoughts? Help!

HawkBlue27 · Jan 8, 2013

Every so often I find myself plagued by thoughts and feelings which I have no control over. I had heard of a book written by a man named John Bunyan in which he mentioned his own personal problems with this type of thing-I have not actually read it, but I just found this excerpt. It says: "While I was in this torment, I often found in my mind a sudden urge to curse and swear, or to speak some grievous thing against God, Christ His Son, or of the Scriptures. Now I thought, surely I am possessed of the devil. At other times, I thought I would lose my mind; for instead of praising and magnifying the Lord with others, if I but heard Him spoken of, presently some most horrible blasphemous thought or other would bolt out of my heart against Him. So whether I did think that God was, or again did think there was no such thing as God, no love, peace or gracious disposition could I feel within me. These things did sink me into very deep despair, for I concluded that such things could not possibly be found among those who loved God."

The whole thing can be found here: The famous John Bunyan’s battle with blasphemous thoughts, feeling unforgivable, reprobate and demon possessed

This is exactly how I feel. Almost perfectly. I do not even know if I even love God and I have resorted to basically constantly asking the Lord to "save me if I am not saved and change my heart so I do not get these things coming back". And always the thought or feeling comes back, and once again fear maybe I am not even saved. It has become a VICIOUS cycle. How could I EVER follow Christ if I am left like this and feel maybe I am not even for him? I have tried avoiding anything that would spark these thoughts and sometimes felt maybe there is hope, but to no avail...what do I do?

Koakku · Jan 8, 2013

It's just the enemy attacking you with lies and doubts, abide in the word of God and don't entertain those thoughts. I've had them in the past as well, and i do know that it sucks and causes a lot of anxiety. Here's a video that will probably help you with that, it has helped me.

The Unforgivable Sin (Mark 3:20-35) John MacArthur - YouTube

I hope your situation gets better, God bless.

ezeric · Jan 8, 2013

First off, you are very normal - everyone gets wicked thoughts. They are not FROM you.

Second, you have to start to learn (its a process) the 3 voices/ thoughts that you hear inside yourself. A) Your own thoughts - like I like a coffee or ice cream.
B) GOD speaking - still small voice, and its always for the best interest of everyone around (including you) and it matches the 'fruit of the SPIRIT' found in Galatians 5:22 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. " GOD talks like this!
C) The enemy, carnal mind. It is belligerent, bullying, demanding, fear making, often uses the word "should", loud, law-keeping/record keeping, harsh.

You have the 'mind of CHRIST' already, but you still are looking at things the way your carnal mind and natural man see's it. (not by Faith which looks at what can't be seen.).

This is the process, you resist the evil thoughts, and tell them "NO" and force your mind to listen to the SPIRIT which is the SPIRIT of JESUS who is IN you.
As you 'hear the voice of the SPIRIT' you will automatically kill the voice of the enemy.
Thus walking in the SPIRIT you will not satisfy the lusts of the flesh.

Get to war over your thoughts and start to listen only to the LORD - who loves you...and only has your best interest in mind.

This is the beginning to walk in the SPIRITUAL and it opens the doors to miracles.
It comes by GRACE, you don't work it up, or pay anything to get it - no its all yours already!

-eric

Aibrean · Jan 8, 2013

When Christ died on the cross he saved the world once and for all and the gift of salvation is there to all who receive it. You don't have to keep asking to be saved. If you believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, you are. Believe on the promises in the Bible. They are stronger than your doubts.

The second part of it which you are requesting is absolutely fine. Pray that the Holy Spirit will continue to work in you and help you overcome your struggles. It's certainly not an instant process.

paul1149 · Jan 8, 2013

As long as you give these thoughts credence, you will fight them with your own strength and exhaust yourself. As has been said, if you sincerely asked for salvation once, you are Saved, according to Romans 10. You're just beating your head against a brick wall for no purpose.

The answer is to put on the full armor of God, as in Eph 6. That includes the helmet of salvation, with which your mind is protected. Remember, the battle is the Lord's, and has already been won. The devil is defeated, and so is the flesh. Our job is to stand firm in that victory.

Raise the shield of faith and rejoice in your salvation (Php 4). That rejoicing will be strength and protection to you. You will cross from the futility of Romans 7, where you do what you don't want to do and cannot find your own power to overcome, to Romans 8, where you are giving thanks to Christ, the source of unlimited power and authority, who saved you when you least deserved it.

Labor to enter His rest, and cease from relying on your own dead works. There you will find peace and victory rather than giving life to thoughts that are inherently meaningless. All praise to Him, because He has overcome all His enemies. Enter His rest, and stay there.

vocalyocal · Jan 8, 2013

HawkBlue27 said:
Every so often I find myself plagued by thoughts and feelings which I have no control over. I had heard of a book written by a man named John Bunyan in which he mentioned his own personal problems with this type of thing-I have not actually read it, but I just found this excerpt. It says: "While I was in this torment, I often found in my mind a sudden urge to curse and swear, or to speak some grievous thing against God, Christ His Son, or of the Scriptures. Now I thought, surely I am possessed of the devil. At other times, I thought I would lose my mind; for instead of praising and magnifying the Lord with others, if I but heard Him spoken of, presently some most horrible blasphemous thought or other would bolt out of my heart against Him. So whether I did think that God was, or again did think there was no such thing as God, no love, peace or gracious disposition could I feel within me. These things did sink me into very deep despair, for I concluded that such things could not possibly be found among those who loved God."

The whole thing can be found here: The famous John Bunyans battle with blasphemous thoughts, feeling unforgivable, reprobate and demon possessed

This is exactly how I feel. Almost perfectly. I do not even know if I even love God and I have resorted to basically constantly asking the Lord to "save me if I am not saved and change my heart so I do not get these things coming back". And always the thought or feeling comes back, and once again fear maybe I am not even saved. It has become a VICIOUS cycle. How could I EVER follow Christ if I am left like this and feel maybe I am not even for him? I have tried avoiding anything that would spark these thoughts and sometimes felt maybe there is hope, but to no avail...what do I do?

so an evil spirit plants evil thoughts in your mind and your going to be deceived into believing that those are your own..........we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but ours is a spiritual battle, reject the thoughts as evil,and ask God to cast whatever spirit is planting them to be cast into the abyss

HawkBlue27 · Jan 8, 2013

I have no idea where they are coming from. Or why I have them. It's just that I feel awful about them. Especially the part where he said "instead of praising and magnifying the Lord with others, if I but heard Him spoken of, presently some most horrible blasphemous thought or other would bolt out of my heart against Him" I have felt almost as if I don't even love God or was **GULP** against him. Even if I could forget about them for a while eventually I always get the sense they will just come back again and it squeezes me. I don't know what it means, but if I could just know I actually loved Christ I would feel better. I have meditated on Christ's death of how much he loved me to die for me, and yet I cannot get these thoughts out of my head and heart.

paul1149 · Jan 8, 2013

He who is forgiven much, loves much. The Lord has forgiven you even this, so when they arise use them to spur you to thankfulness that you are covered and forgiven. Trust me, if you adopt a victorious positive attitude over them, they will quickly fade away.

yellowfree · Jan 8, 2013

Please check out Dan Mohler his video on Youtube called-
Dan Mohler - How to Resist the Devil

I think it could really help you. I think you should do what he did when he was going through a similar issue. Try it out

2 Thess. 2:16 ESV
16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,

Romans 6:14(ESV)
14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

also you could prayerfully check out Romans 7

*Charis* · Jan 8, 2013

Recognizing these thoughts for what they are is half the battle.
Now... claim the righteousness you have in Jesus, go about
your day, and don't fixate on the 'thoughts'. It won't be long that
they will be gone.

BFine · Jan 8, 2013

I would also suggest that you discuss what you are experiencing
with your doctor ASAP.

I read your other threads and it seems you could be experiencing
some type of anxiety disorder...you display many of the symptoms;
however, you do need to see your doctor to find out if you do
have an anxiety disorder.

HawkBlue27 · Jan 8, 2013

I have entertained that before. This website I found seems to address some of these issues. It is also the website where I found the quote from that guy's book. Here's a link to the site.

Treating religious obsessive compulsive disorder (scrupulosity) Easy Christian alternative to cognitive-behavioral therapy

HawkBlue27 · Jan 8, 2013

*Charis* said:
Recognizing these thoughts for what they are is half the battle.
Now... claim the righteousness you have in Jesus, go about
your day, and don't fixate on the 'thoughts'. It won't be long that
they will be gone.

The things is I don't actually know where they are coming from. Sinful nature? The devil? Me? I think if I knew where they came from it would take a huge load off of my back.

vocalyocal · Jan 8, 2013

HawkBlue27 said:
I have no idea where they are coming from. Or why I have them. It's just that I feel awful about them. Especially the part where he said "instead of praising and magnifying the Lord with others, if I but heard Him spoken of, presently some most horrible blasphemous thought or other would bolt out of my heart against Him" I have felt almost as if I don't even love God or was **GULP** against him. Even if I could forget about them for a while eventually I always get the sense they will just come back again and it squeezes me. I don't know what it means, but if I could just know I actually loved Christ I would feel better. I have meditated on Christ's death of how much he loved me to die for me, and yet I cannot get these thoughts out of my head and heart.

its actually pretty simple, choose who your going to serve, God or his soon to be swimming in the lake of fire cherub.

or you can be like the man James speaks about, who is double minded, and is tossed to and fro in his thinking

make a stand who your going to be in alliance with, then just stick with the choice you made

HawkBlue27 · Jan 8, 2013

vocalyocal said:
its actually pretty simple, choose who your going to serve, God or his soon to be swimming in the lake of fire cherub.

or you can be like the man James speaks about, who is double minded, and is tossed to and fro in his thinking

make a stand who your going to be in alliance with, then just stick with the choice you made

Jesus is my Savior and Lord and I believe him as such. I don't believe I chose him, he chose me. No way all that led me to this point was a coincidence.
But yet I cannot understand why these thoughts always keep coming back. I can't do anything to stop them and I don't understand them. I am thinking about them just typing this now.

vocalyocal · Jan 8, 2013

HawkBlue27 said:
Jesus is my Savior and Lord and I believe him as such. I don't believe I chose him, he chose me. No way all that led me to this point was a coincidence.
But yet I cannot understand why these thoughts always keep coming back. I can't do anything to stop them and I don't understand them. I am thinking about them just typing this now.

are they evil or are they good, if they're evil rebuke them (doesn't matter whether they are from you the devil or the illuminati) rebuke evil thoughts!

how is it going to help you knowing where they came from, if they are not thoughts the mind of Christ would entertain then dump them fast!

take up juggling knives, its hard to have alot of crap running through your head when one error will get you stabbed.........in other words find ways to keep busy.......idleness is when the devil is in his best form

Greter · Jan 8, 2013

BFine said:
I would also suggest that you discuss what you are experiencing
with your doctor ASAP.

I read your other threads and it seems you could be experiencing
some type of anxiety disorder...you display many of the symptoms;
however, you do need to see your doctor to find out if you do
have an anxiety disorder.

This.

I had a similar problem as yourself but I had a different set of thoughts. I was diagnosed with OCD and was treated with Cognitive behaviour therapy. I now feel great. Good luck brother.

*Charis* · Jan 8, 2013

HawkBlue27 said:
The things is I don't actually know where they are coming from. Sinful nature? The devil? Me? I think if I knew where they came from it would take a huge load off of my back.

Really, I'm not sure the source of your thoughts is important.
There are times a thought filters through my mind that my
spirit reacts to... like your's is reacting. At that point, take it
captive by commanding it to come in line with the Spirit of
God. Even if you feel the effects for a little while, rest in the
fact that God is on your side, and has put your enemies under
your feet, by the blood of Jesus!

HawkBlue27 · Jan 8, 2013

*Charis* said:
Really, I'm not sure the source of your thoughts is important.
There are times a thought filters through my mind that my
spirit reacts to... like your's is reacting. At that point, take it
captive by commanding it to come in line with the Spirit of
God. Even if you feel the effects for a little while, rest in the
fact that God is on your side, and has put your enemies under
your feet, by the blood of Jesus!

I always want to get to the bottom of these things. It's like I can say I acknowledge Christ as Lord and Savior but then my mind the thought says "no you do not you don't even love him" that's basically the type of thoughts which enter my mind. It's like I huge wave of either conviction or condemnation, one of the two, comes over me after that.

yellowfree · Jan 8, 2013

Did you look at the youtube vid I suggested?
its called:
Dan Mohler-How to Resist the Devil

Please check him out

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