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Saints as a model for our life

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CathNancy

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Much discussion has occured here about praying to saints, but I would like to bring another dimention to the saints. By reading the lives of the saints we find people who we can emulate, someone to model our life on. Of course we should model our life on Christ, but it has also helped me to model my life on the saints as well. Because they are fully human, and only human, as I am, their example gives me hope that eventually I will also be able to live my life as Christ did.

I am in formation to become a Secular Franciscan so the saint that I try to model is St. Francis of Assisi. After his conversion of heart, Francis devoted his whole life to Christ Crucified and bringing the gospel into life and life into the gospel. Simply this means that Francis lived the gospel and we follow Christ in the footsteps of St. Francis. As Secular Franciscans we are to bring the gospel to the world where we live. The way that we are to do this is in the words of St. Francis, preach the gospel at all times and when necessary use words. It is more what we do rather than what we say, that will bring Christ to the world.

God Bless,
Nancy
 
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very good point about the saints
they have lived through the ages and can show us how better to live as Christ would have us live
stories are important, the lives of the saints are stories, the reason Jesus spoke in parable, the Gospels themselves are stories.
 
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CathNancy. said:
After his conversion of heart, Francis devoted his whole life to Christ Crucified and bringing the gospel into life and life into the gospel. Simply this means that Francis lived the gospel and we follow Christ in the footsteps of St. Francis. As Secular Franciscans we are to bring the gospel to the world where we live. The way that we are to do this is in the words of St. Francis, preach the gospel at all times and when necessary use words. It is more what we do rather than what we say, that will bring Christ to the world.
God Bless, Nancy

Now your talking in words I understand...I had my heart conversion to Christ in Aug. 73..My druggie buddy/coworked committed our lives to Christ around the same time..In the office our coworkers wondered what happened..We started sharing the gospel with our coworkers and some came to faith in Christ.

From what I read/heard Francis seemed to have the gift of an evangelist.
He not only preached salvation through Christ but lived it in his deed...So many say they know Christ Jesus but their lifestyle shows no outward change from an inner conversion to Christ..May the Lord bless you as you share the good news of Christ's plan of salvation to a lost and dying world..Jesus is coming soon..

As for the saints gone on, I encouraged by their stories of faith and stife to live my life in obedience to Christ, but I wouldn't put their words on par with the scriptures.

shalom..Kim
 
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Kim, thank you for sharring your story with us, you are a good role model for christians
As for the saints gone on, I encouraged by their stories of faith and stife to live my life in obedience to Christ, but I wouldn't put their words on par with the scriptures.
no one puts the stories of the saints on par with scripture
 
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Thank you for sharing your story with us Kim. No I do not put their words on the same level as the scriptures, neither did St. Francis, but they are an inspiration to me. I love the prayer of St. Francis:

Lord, make me a channel of thy peace,
that where there is hatred, I may bring love;
that where there is wrong,
I may bring the spirit of forgiveness;
that where there is discord, I may bring harmony;
that where there is error, I may bring truth;
that where there is doubt, I may bring faith;
that where there is despair, I may bring hope;
that where there are shadows, I may bring light;
that where there is sadness, I may bring joy.
Lord, grant that I may seek rather to
comfort than to be comforted;
to understand, than to be understood;
to love, than to be loved.
For it is by self-forgetting that one finds.
It is by forgiving that one is forgiven.
It is by dying that one awakens to Eternal Life


God Bless,
Nancy
 
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yes... what your getting into..I'll be honest with you,, I have never heard Catholics talk about a heart conversion...Is this like an actual ministry you get involved in or is it part of group that shares the gospel? Do you just proclaim a message of being born again or do want to convert them to be Catholic...You piqued my curiosity when you mentioned a conversion of heart..thanks..God bless..kim
 
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Hi Kid,

Well the Secular Franciscans are members of the Franciscan Order. The Franciscans are about 800 years old, founded by St. Francis, and there are four disciplines in the order. The First Order are the Friars Minor, these are the priests and brothers, the
Second Order are the Poor Claires who are Nuns and were founded by St. Claire of Assisi, the Third Order, who are also religious, and the Secular Franciscans which is made up of lay people, married and single, men and women. Becoming a Secular Francisan is a process that takes about a year and a half involving study and discerning if we do in fact have a vocation to the order and their way of life. The Secular Francisans are an important part of the Franciscan Order and are as much Franciscans as are the priest, brothers and nuns.

The term Conversion of Heart is one that I first heard through the Franciscans, although I am sure that it is not a novel idea within the Church. Basically, we believe that for many there is a time in one's life that there is a conversion event, for me it was watching the movie, The Passion of the Christ. Prior to that although I had been a Catholic my whole life, I was not a very good practicing Catholic. For others, faith grows over a lifetime. Either way though, conversion of the heart is a lifelong process where we are constantly converted to Christ.

One of the benefits that I have seen in my involvment with the Secular Francisans is that I have found order in my prayer life. One of the things that we do is pray the Liturgy of the Hours. If you are unfamiliar with these prayers, they are broken into times during the day, morning prayer, evening prayer and nighttime prayer. They consist of Psalms and scripture passages for each day. Before the SFO (Secular Francisan Order) if I thought about it, I would pray, now I set aside time to to be with God in prayer.

The SFO also follow the Rule of Francis which is based entirely on the gospels. The SFO are considered a vocation just as being a priest, brother or nun is a vocation and therefore we are called to discern if this is what God is truly calling us to do.

The ministry is to bring Christ to the world where we live, to our families, friends, neighbors and co-workers. We do this by being an example of Christ to those we meet everyday.

There is also self examination involved, two questions that have had an impact on me; the first was what is holiness to me? I had to think about this for sometime before I felt that I could put it into words. I know that Jesus calls us to be holy, but I was not sure what the word meant to me.

The other question requires a little background. Francis had a horror of lepers and would avoid them as much as possible until one day he was not only able to embrace a leper, but kiss him as well. Francis felt that his fear of lepers was a stumbling block between he and God and once he embrased the leper, that stumling block disappeared. The question was what is my leper? Both of these questions had a profound effect on how I view myself and others around me.

At the time of Francis, the Church had much corruption in it and I'm sure that many have heard the story of how God spoke to Francis and told him to repair His Church. At first Francis thought that meant that he was to repair the church buildings in Assisi. It was only later that he realized that God meant to repair the Church, not church buildings. There have always been problems within the Church, it is made up of people who sin, but at the same time God has raised up great saints to repair His Church, Francis was such a person.

As for your last question, do we want to convert people to the Catholic Faith, although I believe as do all Franciscans, that the Catholic Church is the Church founded by Christ, we are to bring the face of Christ to those we meet, not necessarily Catholicism although it is a vital part of who we are. I would say that we bring Christ to the world first and Catholicism second. Christ is the primary message and it is up to God if someone comes to the Church.

Well this has gotten pretty long and you probably got more information than you wanted, but I hope this answers your questions.

God bless,
Nancy

PS, I believe that there is also a Third Order of Franciscans in the Anglican Church.
 
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Kid this is another prayer of St. Francis for discernment:

Most high, glorious God
enlighten the darkeness of my heart
and give me right faith,
firm hope and perfect charity
that I may know and do
Your holy and true will
through Christ our Lord.
Amen.

God Bless,
Nancy
 
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Thanks for sharing that..You are quite different from other Catholics I have dealt with.."Christ is the primary message and it is up to God if someone comes to the Church." Amen ..The Holy Spirit will draw them..Blessings in Christ..Kim

It would be nice if we could come together agreeing on your quote and share the good news of Christ with the lost and dying around us..

I like another thing that guy was praying about a firm hope I have that and have been told I am presumptious for thinking I am secure in my salvation with Christ...
 
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Not so different Kid, I believe in the Body of Christ and believe it to be the Catholic Church. I also believe that there is no salvation outside the Church, but the Church extends beyond the physical boundaries of the Catholic Church. As has been said so many times by our EO brothers and sisters, we know where the Spirit is, we do not know where It is not. Therefore, those who are Christian are united to the Church if even imperfectly and can be saved the same as Catholics. But if a person cannot accept the doctrines of the Catholic Church and therefore cannot unite themselves to her, they are still saved.

We are to bring the Good News to all we meet, but how they respond has everything to do with God and their own conscience and nothing to do with us.

God Bless,
Nancy
 
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I pray for unity in Christ and I believe it will happen. Left to our own devices, I doubt that our pride would allow it, but with God, all things are possible. We need to leave our pride at the door and focus on Christ, He is our Lord and Savior.

God Bless,
Nancy
 
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CathNancy We need to leave our pride at the door and focus on Christ said:
Amen Sis..Thanks for taking time to share with me..I sorta been taking your thread on a rabbit trail..sorry about that..
 
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Amen Sis..Thanks for taking time to share with me..I sorta been taking your thread on a rabbit trail..sorry about that..
Not a problem Kid, I've enjoyed our discussion. I think that we could understand each other better if we would all listen to what the other has to say rather than just approaching each post with the thought that I am right and you are wrong. Many misconceptions abound and often people, Catholic and Protestant, are not interested in what is really being said.

God Bless,
Nancy
 
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Much discussion has occured here about praying to saints, but I would like to bring another dimention to the saints. By reading the lives of the saints we find people who we can emulate, someone to model our life on. Of course we should model our life on Christ, but it has also helped me to model my life on the saints as well. Because they are fully human, and only human, as I am, their example gives me hope that eventually I will also be able to live my life as Christ did.

I am in formation to become a Secular Franciscan so the saint that I try to model is St. Francis of Assisi. After his conversion of heart, Francis devoted his whole life to Christ Crucified and bringing the gospel into life and life into the gospel. Simply this means that Francis lived the gospel and we follow Christ in the footsteps of St. Francis. As Secular Franciscans we are to bring the gospel to the world where we live. The way that we are to do this is in the words of St. Francis, preach the gospel at all times and when necessary use words. It is more what we do rather than what we say, that will bring Christ to the world.

God Bless,
Nancy
The New Testament stresses the importance of honoring others no less than the Old Testament. The apostle Paul commanded: "Pay all of them their dues, taxes to whom taxes are due, revenue to whom revenue is due, respect to whom respect is due, honor to whom honor is due" (Rom. 13:7). He also stated this as a principle regarding one’s employers: "Slaves, be obedient to those who are your earthly masters, with fear and trembling, in singleness of heart, as to Christ" (Eph. 6:5). "Let all who are under the yoke of slavery regard their masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be defamed" (1 Tim. 6:1). Perhaps the broadest command to honor others is found in 1 Peter: "Honor all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor" (1 Pet. 2:17).
 
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Much discussion has occured here about praying to saints, but I would like to bring another dimention to the saints. By reading the lives of the saints we find people who we can emulate, someone to model our life on. Of course we should model our life on Christ, but it has also helped me to model my life on the saints as well. Because they are fully human, and only human, as I am, their example gives me hope that eventually I will also be able to live my life as Christ did.

I am in formation to become a Secular Franciscan so the saint that I try to model is St. Francis of Assisi. After his conversion of heart, Francis devoted his whole life to Christ Crucified and bringing the gospel into life and life into the gospel. Simply this means that Francis lived the gospel and we follow Christ in the footsteps of St. Francis. As Secular Franciscans we are to bring the gospel to the world where we live. The way that we are to do this is in the words of St. Francis, preach the gospel at all times and when necessary use words. It is more what we do rather than what we say, that will bring Christ to the world.

God Bless,
Nancy
:amen: :thumbsup:
 
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