Saddam had a stroke, may not make it to trial

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SADDAM'S 'STROKE' Jul 28 2004

Ex-dictator's lawyer says he had brain scan and could die

Exclusive By Gary Jones In Amman, Jordan

SADDAM Hussein has suffered a minor stroke and could die before his trial, his defence lawyers claim.


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The multinational legal team is still awaiting permission to visit the deposed Iraqi ruler.​

A letter demanding their doctor be given access to the former dictator was yesterday sent by Jordanian lawyer Mohammed al-Rashdan to Salem Chalebi, the head of the Iraqi prosecuting authorities.​

Mr al-Rashdan said: "Our information is that he's in very poor health. We understand from the International Committee of the Red Cross that our client has had a brain scan to discover how badly he has been affected by the stroke. We believe he could die because of his health problems.​

"We also think an attempt may be made on his life.​

"We're very worried that we won't have a client to defend." He added: "Under the Geneva Convention we're entitled to have access to our client. But all our requests have been ignored."​

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Read more here:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/tm_objectid=14467737&method=full&siteid=50143&headline=saddam-s--stroke--name_page.html

 

[McCracAttack]

The timing of this is...interesting.

 

[BobbieDog]

It has never been satisfactory that any of the coalition partners holds prisoners without their having full access to family, lawyers, and other professionals.
That holds for SH too.
If he does die, under these circumstances, then the conspiratorial mill goes onto overtime, in both the West and the Arab street.
Just doesn't seem like a wise way of proceeding.
A "murdered" SH could become an even more enormous martyr and hero.

 

[InnerPhyre]

And if he lives, can you see anyone executing an old man who can't move half his body and drools on himself?

 

[Piano Player]

And if he lives, can you see anyone executing an old man who can't move half his body and drools on himself?

I can. How about someone who, while governor of Texas, executed the mentally retarded.

 

[Sphere]

SADDAM'S 'STROKE' Jul 28 2004







Read more here:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/tm_objectid=14467737&method=full&siteid=50143&headline=saddam-s--stroke--name_page.html

Dont you think this would be ALL over the news networks in the event this man suffered a stroke? I think its fake, besides he supposedly suffered a stroke in 2001.

 

[InnerPhyre]

I can. How about someone who, while governor of Texas, executed the mentally retarded.

I knew somehow we'd all bring Bush into this.

 

[Christ Aficionado]

Yeah. Fake story.

 

[BobbieDog]

And if he lives, can you see anyone executing an old man who can't move half his body and drools on himself?

Wouldn't it be great if we did not execute him.
If, instead, we reformed and redeemed him.
If we simply, having tried him for his actions, allowed him to potter in his garden.
What was important was that his power was broken.
That's done.
We leave SH lifesize and unmartyred, where we treat him with Christian care and respect.
Kindness to SH would be worth divisions in the field.
Anyhting to the contrary will see more of our young men in greater potential of harm.
Maybe we could get just this little detail right.

 

[Turn'D-OuT-DiffurnT]

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I can. How about someone who, while governor of Texas, executed the mentally retarded.

So what? That’s one thing I can’t fault him for.

 

[Ave Maria]

Wouldn't it be great if we did not execute him.
If, instead, we reformed and redeemed him.
If we simply, having tried him for his actions, allowed him to potter in his garden.
What was important was that his power was broken.
That's done.
We leave SH lifesize and unmartyred, where we treat him with Christian care and respect.
Kindness to SH would be worth divisions in the field.
Anyhting to the contrary will see more of our young men in greater potential of harm.
Maybe we could get just this little detail right.

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Well, the Bible does say to love your enemies:

[bible]Luke 6:27[/bible]

But does Saddam really deserve such treatment? I mean yeah, maybe some of the Arabs won't hate us so much if we treat him like that but I believe that God would be happier if Saddam got the punishment that is due to him.

 

[InnerPhyre]

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*changed*

That was way out of line. You need to apologize.

 

[Turn'D-OuT-DiffurnT]

I disagree.


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[Blemonds]

I can. How about someone who, while governor of Texas, executed the mentally retarded.

In case you are unaware, governors do not execute people

 

[BobbieDog]

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Well, the Bible does say to love your enemies:

Luke 6:27But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,

But does Saddam really deserve such treatment? I mean yeah, maybe some of the Arabs won't hate us so much if we treat him like that but I believe that God would be happier if Saddam got the punishment that is due to him.

None of us, perhaps, "deserve" what arises as redemption in God, through following what Jesus tells about faith and love.
What we are engaged in with the Arab street, when we are getting it right, is displaying our civilisation, manifesting our God.
Right now that street is very cynical about our civilisation, about our God.
It seems to that street that we are brutal, that we seek control of oil, that we seek to control Islam, that our God is a word in an ideology of convenience.
What we address is not merely anger: it is righteous indignation, it is embittered powerlessness, it is determination not to be defeated by the godless invading infidel.
If we are to make constructive use of our moment of ascendancy, then we have to display the best our civilsation is capable of, the best our God has given.
That means one thing. We have to be as Jesus in the field. Not doctrinally, not as proselytisers: but as manifestors and agents.
We are failing: going backwards; creating hate when none was there before.
If we are really serious, we follow Jesus, at each and every moment and opportunity. If we were genuinely doing that, and of course we are not, then we would gain respect on the Arab street.

 

[WayneH]

Hmmmmmmmmmm - gee - and all this time I thought the USA turned SH over to the New government... Which basically means the USA has no say in most matters... and it also means that the Geneva convention really doesn't come into play since he is not a POW... He is under the New Iraqi Gov. and in Jail not POW camp....

 

[SuzQ]

I can. How about someone who, while governor of Texas, executed the mentally retarded.

I'm SO sick of this strawman argument. I think you mean Governor of ARKANSAS??? While running for President in '92, Clinton wanted to make sure he looked like he was "tough on crime" after he had let a murderer go free, who got out & ended up killing again. Very damaging to his image as Governor. So, in order to show his "new" perspective on support of the death penalty while running for President, he personally flew back to his state to be sure a brain-damaged murderer was executed. In fact, Rickey Rector didn't even realize he was going to be killed - he saved the dessert from his last meal for when he was returning to his cell & wanted to even vote for CLINTON as President in the fall??? It's a FACT, sorry, and not a conspiracy theory:

"Clinton had learned his lesson. By 1992 the presidential candidate was insisting that Democrats "should no longer feel guilty about protecting the innocent." To make his point, he flew home to Arkansas mid-campaign to watch the execution of Rickey Ray Rector, a 40-year-old black man convicted of killing a black police officer. After shooting the cop, Rector shot himself in the head and damaged his brain.

Though courts decided Rector was mentally competent to be put to death by lethal injection, evidence suggests otherwise. Rector's prison guards called him "the Chickman" because he thought the guards were throwing alligators and chickens into his cell. He would grip the bars and jump up and down like an ape. On the night of his execution, Rector saved the slice of pecan pie to be eaten before bedtime, not realizing his death would come first. He also told his attorney that he would like to vote for Clinton in the fall."

Source: Many - but I found this on: http://www.prospect.org/webfeatures/2000/07/nguyen-a-07-14.html

Bottom line: Let's move on now, shall we? Regarding Saddam - we are all quick to point out GOP conspiracies & "Bush lies" - yet we trust the word of Saddam's trial lawyers & doctors over there??? Right after they presented a picture of HEALTH recently, now he's supposedly dying. Even if it's true, many people who suffer small strokes are still mentally competent & he should still stand trial for his atrocities, IMO.

 

[BobbieDog]

Hmmmmmmmmmm - gee - and all this time I thought the USA turned SH over to the New government... Which basically means the USA has no say in most matters... and it also means that the Geneva convention really doesn't come into play since he is not a POW... He is under the New Iraqi Gov. and in Jail not POW camp....

I think he remains in US custody, physically.
The Iraqi government remains appointed, by invaders.
No trial should take place, until an elected government is in place.
As there is also a Western dimension to this, as we provided him with the tools for most of his crimes: there should also be a Western dimension to his trail.
The Islamic legal process might not allow for the sustained cross examination, that would see SH reveal all that he knows about Western collusion.

There is nothing comforting about the manner in which the legal arraignement of SH is proceeding.

 

[nyj]

The whole issue is bunk: http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/07/29/saddam.ap/index.html

The Red Cross says it has seen no indication that Saddam's health has taken a downturn.