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Regarding Non-Messianic Jews, that would be a great question to ask a Jewish person on a Jewish Forum, they would be able to provide you an in depth answer to this question, this is a Christian forum, for the discussion of Christianity, not Judaism.
As for the Messianic Jews, they do not sacrifice, nor do they need to, as Christ completed the law of Moses for them.
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As a rule of thumb (and law) the sacrifices were to be done at the temple. Since the temple has been destroyed and the land on which it rested is no longer controled by the Jews, sacrifices are no longer made. How do the Jews deal with this fact? I am not sure.
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Athaliamum
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I would like to make a separation here. Just because someone is a Jew - a person born of Israel- it doesn't mean that they follow Judaism, just as all Americans are not Mormons or similar. So when I make a distinction I will use religious doctrine not race.
Judaism still believes in the neccessity of animal sacrifice. Yes typically a temple is required to perform these sacrifices, hence organisations such as the temple institute who have made all the required tools for temple worship and are in the process of training up priests. However the other year animal sacrifices were conducted within Israel outside of a temple.
Messianic Judaism believes that atonment has been achieved through the substitory sacrifice of Yeshua. However there are still instances within the New Testament where animal sacrifice was participated in. Acts 21:21-26 is one example where Paul participated in a Nazarite vow. This involved him performing sacrifices and offerings (Numbers 6:1-21). Also as 1 Cor. 5:8 is evidence that the Passover Sedar was still to be followed the passover lamb still would have been sacrificed for the festival. So I guess it comes down to personal interpretation. I have heard some say that the animal sacrifices where always only symbolic and that act of symbology should still be continued with Yeshua in mind. Then there would be those who would say that they once where neccessary, more then just symbology, but are no longer neccessary because they have been filled up in Yeshua Messiah. Then again there are those who say that they where symbolic and since Yeshua do not need to be followed.
I personally believe that the first two are true in a weird amalgimation. To outrightly say one or the other would make me a liar. The sacrificial system is quite complex. I think it needs to be made understood that at the time people couldn't go and kill their own cow or lamb in the congregation, only the priests could kill animals. I do believe that Yeshua is Messiah and our sacrifice that gives righteousness and that no other sacrifices are needed to dissolve a believer of sin, then again if I lived in Israel and there was a temple and it was passover I would most likely get the lamb from the temple rather then somewhere else.
Judaism still believes in the neccessity of animal sacrifice. Yes typically a temple is required to perform these sacrifices, hence organisations such as the temple institute who have made all the required tools for temple worship and are in the process of training up priests. However the other year animal sacrifices were conducted within Israel outside of a temple.
Messianic Judaism believes that atonment has been achieved through the substitory sacrifice of Yeshua. However there are still instances within the New Testament where animal sacrifice was participated in. Acts 21:21-26 is one example where Paul participated in a Nazarite vow. This involved him performing sacrifices and offerings (Numbers 6:1-21). Also as 1 Cor. 5:8 is evidence that the Passover Sedar was still to be followed the passover lamb still would have been sacrificed for the festival. So I guess it comes down to personal interpretation. I have heard some say that the animal sacrifices where always only symbolic and that act of symbology should still be continued with Yeshua in mind. Then there would be those who would say that they once where neccessary, more then just symbology, but are no longer neccessary because they have been filled up in Yeshua Messiah. Then again there are those who say that they where symbolic and since Yeshua do not need to be followed.
I personally believe that the first two are true in a weird amalgimation. To outrightly say one or the other would make me a liar. The sacrificial system is quite complex. I think it needs to be made understood that at the time people couldn't go and kill their own cow or lamb in the congregation, only the priests could kill animals. I do believe that Yeshua is Messiah and our sacrifice that gives righteousness and that no other sacrifices are needed to dissolve a believer of sin, then again if I lived in Israel and there was a temple and it was passover I would most likely get the lamb from the temple rather then somewhere else.
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Anatolian,
Wonderful question!
I have studied with Messianic Jews. There is little difference in the beliefs of Messianic Jews and gentiles today (if accurately applying scriputures and this only addressing your topic of sacrafice). Christ performed the final sacrafice. The old law is covered by the new law of Grace and likewise the sacrafices in the OT are not needed anymore.
As far as the Jewish Faith...there are some I have met that still perform sacrafices as depicted in the OT. They encounter trouble though as for the laws of man often. They are living by the old law though. Other orthodox Jewish members do not perform the sacrafices in the OT, because they believe them to be outdated.
As with all matters of Faith...it is up to one's own consciousness I imagine if you are Jewish. As far as Christians though...Christ was our blood sacrafice and we need no further blood sacrafices.
God bless and thanks for the question.
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Sorry but I feel completed to make a correction here.
EmbracingHim if you believe this:
Then this is not true:
I as a Messianic can say that we do not believe in a new law. I as a Messianic eat Kosher, cover my head when in congregation, follow all of the biblical ordered festivals. We do not celebrate Christmas or Easter. We also follow the Torah guidelines of family purity (all sexual laws). The reason a person identifies themselves as messianic is because they do still believe that the Torah is to be followed just as Yeshua(Jesus) followed it, understanding that he was sinless so would never have required the sin offerings of Torah, but he would have followed the rest of it. As a Messianic we are to live the same Torah, as we too no longer require any sin-sacrifices because they are filled up in Yeshua, but the Torah has a much bigger scope then Temple and animal sacrifice laws. Yes we have Grace but it is not a new law. Grace is there to cover us when we fail in our submission to Torah which is God's definition of sin. Notice I say Torah-submission as in heart-felt obedience, not Torah-observance as in leagalism.
EmbracingHim if you believe this:
Then this is not true:
I as a Messianic can say that we do not believe in a new law. I as a Messianic eat Kosher, cover my head when in congregation, follow all of the biblical ordered festivals. We do not celebrate Christmas or Easter. We also follow the Torah guidelines of family purity (all sexual laws). The reason a person identifies themselves as messianic is because they do still believe that the Torah is to be followed just as Yeshua(Jesus) followed it, understanding that he was sinless so would never have required the sin offerings of Torah, but he would have followed the rest of it. As a Messianic we are to live the same Torah, as we too no longer require any sin-sacrifices because they are filled up in Yeshua, but the Torah has a much bigger scope then Temple and animal sacrifice laws. Yes we have Grace but it is not a new law. Grace is there to cover us when we fail in our submission to Torah which is God's definition of sin. Notice I say Torah-submission as in heart-felt obedience, not Torah-observance as in leagalism.
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