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Are the 10 Cs in the book of the law or not? How would one know that because the stone tablets aren't locatable these days. IOW if they weren't in the book of the law put in the pocket one wouldn't know about the 10 Cs. Least wise I've never seen such evidence. Do you know of such? I'd love to see it.One thing I also found out that was so interesting in regards to the Law verses the 10 commandments.....if you look at a description of the Ark of the Covenant, the 10 commandments of God were INSIDE the Ark, but the Law of Moses was on the SIDE of the Ark. Interesting, huh?
I'm sorry, if you would be so kind as to quote what you find attitude, it would help me some. What was rude, please?What's with the attitude? I'm trying to understand and ask questions here, and you are being rather rude to me. The Law of Moses and the 10 commandments are two different things!
It is often argued that Abraham kept the law but it came 430 years later. Abraham sacrificed and the first one was in the garden. It is argued that the sabbath is preceeds the law and therefore isn't nailed to the cross and yet sacrifice is the same and nailed to the cross. Why is this? Shouldn't both be treated the same?Yes, Jeremiah 31:31-34 teaches us that we have a new covenant in Christ. We no longer have to keep the Law of Moses. We no longer have to sacrifice animals to atone for our sins-Jesus became our sacrifice!
This is clearly a list which is found elsewhere in Scripture such as II Chron 2:4, 8:13, 31:3, Neh 10:33, Eze 45:17. All three of these are discussed in Lev 23, the weekly sabbath is the first in the discussion. As a list each is seperated by a comma or a conjunction such as and.Same with Hosea 2:11. Feast days, all the tons of different Sabbaths, etc. are done away with. The Law of Moses and the 10 Commandments of God are DIFFERENT. If they were the same, they would both have been put on the SIDE of the Ark of the Covenant!
Aren't the 10 Cs within this law?Understanding this, please read Deuteronomy 31:24-26: And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book [the civil law written by Mosesthe law of Moses, not the Ten Commandments written by God on stone tablets], until they were finished, that Moses commanded the Levites, which bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying, Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against you.
Is this what Jeremiah said? I asked you to do the study on the references I gave in Jeremiah. Did you do it? I have sincerce doubts. Are they justified? From this discussion I'd say yes. Am I wrong?THIS is what was "done away with" when Jesus was crucified!
Jere 31:31-34. No I'm not promoting the right to sin. OTH incidence isn't obedience. The issue you address here is sin and not the law per se. The flesh is dealt with in Gal 5 very well. I pooint you to 19-21 therein.In Luke, Jesus is opening their eyes to the Scriptures that talk about Him that must be fulfilled concerning His death and resurrection. What does that have to do with what I asked you about where does it say in the Bible that we are allowed to lie, steal, commit adultery, etc, etc?
And what does Gal 5:19-21 say? Yep the Bible certianly does say that. What is doesn't say is those things are proof of observing the law. For instance if you approached my unregenerate neighbor with such, he would say what are you talking about - oh yeah religious stuff. You can leave now.It clearly states in the Bible that the people who do those things will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
You can't know from where you are. I have told you go back to the beginning and get a foundation to build on.
The whole Bible points us to the end times when Christ shall return and set up the Kingdom of God here on earth. Ever heard of the Gospel?
It is also the evidence of the eternal life of the sabbath in our Lord's kingdom.
MANY people often confuse Moses Law with God's 10 Commandment law, but they are very different.
Moses' law was the temporary, ceremonial law of the Old Testament. It regulated the priesthood, sacrifices, rituals, meat and drink offerings, etc., all of which foreshadowed the cross. This law was added "till the seed should come," and that seed was Christ (Galatians 3:16, 19). The ritual and ceremony of Moses' law pointed forward to Christ's sacrifice. When He died, this law came to an end, but the Ten Commandments
(God's law) "stand fast for ever and ever." Psalm 111:7,8.
One thing I also found out that was so interesting in regards to the Law verses the 10 commandments.....if you look at a description of the Ark of the Covenant, the 10 commandments of God were INSIDE the Ark, but the Law of Moses was on the SIDE of the Ark. Interesting, huh?
I'm sorry, if you would be so kind as to quote what you find attitude, it would help me some. What was rude, please?
How is the law of Moses and the 10 Cs 2 different things? Paul shows them to be the same thing in Rom 7. James shows them to be the samething in Jam 2. It is often argued that Abraham kept the law but it came 430 years later. Abraham sacrificed and the first one was in the garden. It is argued that the sabbath is preceeds the law and therefore isn't nailed to the cross and yet sacrifice is the same and nailed to the cross. Why is this? Shouldn't both be treated the same? This is clearly a list which is found elsewhere in Scripture such as II Chron 2:4, 8:13, 31:3, Neh 10:33, Eze 45:17. All three of these are discussed in Lev 23, the weekly sabbath is the first in the discussion. As a list each is seperated by a comma or a conjunction such as and.Aren't the 10 Cs within this law?Is this what Jeremiah said? I asked you to do the study on the references I gave in Jeremiah. Did you do it? I have sincerce doubts. Are they justified? From this discussion I'd say yes. Am I wrong? Jere 31:31-34. No I'm not promoting the right to sin. OTH incidence isn't obedience. The issue you address here is sin and not the law per se. The flesh is dealt with in Gal 5 very well. I pooint you to 19-21 therein.And what does Gal 5:19-21 say? Yep the Bible certianly does say that. What is doesn't say is those things are proof of observing the law. For instance if you approached my unregenerate neighbor with such, he would say what are you talking about - oh yeah religious stuff. You can leave now.
So my question is he being obedient to the 10 Cs? No. Pretty much he is in compliance with civil laws and social customs. He gives no credence to religious things.
I'm sorry that our disagreement comes between you and learning. That however isn't what I picked up on. I see way more statements than questions. A student asks queations and makes few if any statements.I have a life. And a lot of serious health conditions. I cannot spend every moment of my day here on this computer arguing with you. You have your beliefs, I have mine.
I've been studying and trying to understand this for a long time now, and God is opening my eyes a little at a time-line upon line, precept upon precept, as the saying goes. I have learning disabilities and I am very blessed that God is allowing me to understand the little bit I do understand. I am going to unsubscribe from this thread, because I do not have time to argue all day. I don't visit here all that often, but when I do, I want it to be an enjoyable learning experience, not arguing with someone. Goodbye.
I'm sorry that our disagreement comes between you and learning. That however isn't what I picked up on. I see way more statements than questions. A student asks queations and makes few if any statements.
What I have seen of you here is the promotion of your position as fact. I asked you to study Jere 31:31-34 to which you neither much commented on or asked questions. Instead you moved to something else. You gave no retrun on my comments. How is this learning.
I do find arguing part of learning. Just not the most productive. By arguing do you mean saying something contrary to what you post?
Sorry to have overwhelmed you.
BTW you are very well spoken fr a disabled person.
There wasn't a huge amount of things to say about Jeremiah 31:31-34.....I read it and told you what I believe it says. I didn't realize I was supposed to write an essay on it. lol
You may believe that the 10 commandments and the Mosaic Law are the same thing, but I don't. I certainly don't believe we have to sacrifice animals anymore because Jesus was our sacrifice. The old laws, many feasts and sabbaths were done away with. The 10 commandments were still kept IN the ark, not on the side where the law of Moses, with all it's impossible to keep ordinances were kept ON THE SIDE of the ark.
The major point of difference between these two laws is the way they were recorded:
Exodus 31:18, "And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God."
No one can confuse the Ten Commandments writing with the way the Mosaic law was produced:
Deuteronomy 31:9, "And Moses wrote this law."
We are not under the law of Moses anymore, thanks to Jesus' sacrifice for us. He did away with the ordinances that were against us, which was the law of Moses, which kept people in bondage.
Deuteronomy 31:24-26, "And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying, Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee."
See? It was the Law of Moses that was against us-not the Law of God, His 10 commandments! That's what is spoken of in
The book of statutes and judgments which Moses wrote in a book was placed in a pocket on the side of the ark. In contrast, the Law written by God on tables of stone was placed inside the ark of the covenant.
Exodus 25:16, "And thou shalt put into the ark the testimony which I shall give thee."
The spiritual lesson of this physical separation is that we are to spiritually separate the Ten Commandments from the laws of Moses.
And, finally, the most important point. Did you know God himself wrote the Ten Commandments a second time? Moses broke the first Ten Commandments.
Exodus 34:1, "Hew thee two tablets of stone like unto first; and I will write upon the tablets the words that were on the first tables, which thou didst break."
Deuteronomy 10:1 "...Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first, and come up unto me into the mount; and make thee an ark of wood."
Now, first of all, if the Ten Commandments were part of the Law of Moses, there would be no need for God to write the Ten Commandments a second time after Moses broke the original Ten Commandments. Why? Because the Ten Commandments would already exist inside, and be included in, and be a part of, the book of Moses. The book of Moses still existed at that time, and was still being observed.
But God decided to write the ten commandments a second time, which would have been meaningless if it was considered a part of the law of Moses, or the book of Moses. So obviously, God considered His Law (His Ten Commandments), to be separate from the Law of Moses (the commandments of Moses). This shows that the two laws are to be considered separate and distinct laws from each other.
Moses' law was the temporary, ceremonial law of the Old Testament. It regulated the priesthood, sacrifices, rituals, meat and drink offerings, etc., all of which foreshadowed Christ Jesus. This law was added "till the seed should come," and that seed was Christ (Galatians 3:16,19). The ritual and ceremony of Moses' law pointed forward to Christ, and this law came to an end, but the Ten Commandments (God's law) "stand fast for ever and ever." (Psalm 111:8).
It's ever so clear!! But again, you have your opinion, I have mine. I choose to obey God's 10 commandments, which include not stealing, lying, worshiping other gods, etc....AND keeping the Sabbath. I choose NOT to go by the SEPARATE Law of Moses with it's sacrifices, rituals, ordinances, etc. etc.....you can do whatever you want though.
As for me being "well spoken"....trust me when I say that in real life, I am not. I am a lot more "articulate" on paper, because I can think out what I want to say, which I cannot do in person. A lot of the "articulate" sounding things I write are copied and pasted from other websites. I am not educated at all-I barely made it through high school and I have failed every single college I have ever gone to. I was on disability for awhile because of my learning problems. I have to have things written down, because I am unable to comprehend very well when things are spoken to me-I have to go ever and over them. I am considered "slow" everywhere I go. I forget words easily and have adhd. My SAT scores were so low that I was just a few points away from being considered mentally retarded. Embarrassing, but true. On paper though, I can think out and form my thoughts quite well, but not in real life. But enough of my problems-trust me when I say that I am not like this in real life.
I forgive you for your implication that I am lying about my learning problems. Again, this is the very last time I am going to post in this thread, because I have made my decision on what I believe on this subject, according to God's Word. You have your opinion, I have mine.
God bless you-have a wonderful day today!
So they can understand.14 But their minds were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away. 15 Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts. 16 But when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed.
say bye bye..no more temples, judaism, food laws....bye bye sabby...
Now that is a real cause for rejoicing. Free from the Law - O happy condition!
say bye bye..no more temples, judaism, food laws....bye bye sabby...
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