Sabbath?

Gerhard Ebersoehn · Apr 2, 2011

Johnnz said:
We see rest as not working. But for the ancients a god was at rest when he/she had come to their temple. All was prepared and in place for them to take up their abode.

Genesis (and elsewhere in Scripture) tells us that God had completed hi swork, set up humanity as regents over creation, all was in place and well, and so God now had everything as intended.

When we apply that concept of rest to the passage in Hebrews in then refers to a finished act of salvation whereby we are once again restored into Divine fellowship in his reign here on earth, expressed as 'the kingdom of God'. There is to be a full outworking of that rest when Jesus returns, but that is based on what His life, death and resurrection has already achieved.

John
NZ

GE:

Indeed, yours is a statement that invites true discussion. Its nice to receive such, and a pleasure to react to.

About, We see rest as not working.
Yes; that is human. Not so with God though. For God, THIS was the ultimate of his Rest:

That God hath made that same Jesus whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. This Jesus hath God RAISED UP having loosed the pains of death THEREFORE being by the right hand of God EXALTED and having RECEIVED of the Father the Promise DECLARED : The Son of God with Power according to the Spirit of holiness by the RESURRECTION FROM THE DEAD; That ye may know WHAT is THE EXCEEDING GREATNESS OF GODS POWER to us-ward who believe according to the working of His Mighty Power WHICH He WROUGHT (=DID+RESTED) IN CHRIST WHEN HE RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD AND SET HIM AT HIS OWN RIGHT HAND IN HEAVENLY MAJESTY.

God the Seventh Day from ALL His WORKS RESTED. God the Seventh Day FINISHED all the works He had created. HERE : IN CHRIST! IN CHRIST in exaltation to Gods Own Right Hand in heavenly GLORY and resurrection from the dead. As Klaas Schilder has said, in the FULL FELLOWSHIP OF THE TRINITY! Sela. Rest. And as Isaiah prophesied, HAVING RESTED-UP HIS NAME IS THE HOLIEST PLACE. (57:15)

Know WHAT Gods Rest is and learn what Gods rest on the Seventh Day Sabbath : OF THE LORD GOD, meant. It meant the ULTIMATE OF ALL GODS WORKS.

Gerhard Ebersoehn · Apr 2, 2011

Johnnz said:
………Genesis (and elsewhere in Scripture) tells us that God had completed his work, set up humanity as regents over creation, all was in place and well, and so God now had everything as intended………….

GE:

This to me seems to be the Sixth Day’s work of God— not yet the Rest of God of the Seventh Day. God had completed his work, set up humanity as regents over creation, all was in place and well, and so God now had everything as intended … and ere nightfall, man and wife entered into sin and the kingdom of darkness….

“And they heard the VOICE of the LORD God (Christ the WORD) walking in the garden in the cool of the day (late on the Sixth Day and Adam and his wife HID themselves FROM the presence of the LORD God.”

“Then the LORD God CALLED (through Christ) unto man…” in grace, love and mercy as it had become the Seventh Day and Sabbath of the LORD God. What followed in Genesis 3 is the history of Salvation in and through Jesus Christ in type and figure : the history of the Seventh Day Sabbath of the LORD God.

Hebrews 3:17 asks about the FIRST man and woman, “With whom was God grieved … who had (first) sinned? … AND TO WHOM sware God that they should not enter into His Rest (which is Christ) but TO THEM WHO (first) believed not?” (Salvation is by faith in Christ only.) — Adam and Eve! This is God’s first Promise of the Sin-Bearer and his work of the Seventh Day of his creating and FINISHING of “all things that therein is”.

visionary · Apr 2, 2011

Six [six thousand years of man's time] days of God's time to deal with sin.. then He will rest again...

Gerhard Ebersoehn · Apr 2, 2011

Johnnz said:
………When we apply that concept of rest […God had completed his work, set up humanity as regents over creation, all was in place and well, and so God now had everything as intended] to the passage in Hebrews…

GE:

BEFORE 4:8, it refers to the BEGINNING of God’s works— his works of the ‘finishing’, blessing’ and ‘rest’ of the Seventh and Sabbath Day of the LORD God— the BEGINNING ‘act’, whereby the first men until the Christ-Event were promised and guaranteed by OATH of God, “salvation”, whereby we in the end and “fullness of time” in Jesus Christ would be restored into Divine fellowship and the Kingdom of God. There is though, to be a full outworking of that rest when Jesus returns, based on what His life, death and resurrection have already achieved. In the meantime – based on what Christ’s life, death and resurrection have already achieved – Hebrews 4:9 declares unequivocally “There THEREFORE remains valid for the People of God a keeping of the Sabbath Day”.

visionary · Apr 2, 2011

Gerhard Ebersoehn said:
GE:

BEFORE 4:8, it refers to the BEGINNING of Gods works his works of the finishing, blessing and rest of the Seventh and Sabbath Day of the LORD God the BEGINNING act, whereby the first men until the Christ-Event were promised and guaranteed by OATH of God, salvation, whereby we in the end and fullness of time in Jesus Christ would be restored into Divine fellowship and the Kingdom of God. There is though, to be a full outworking of that rest when Jesus returns, based on what His life, death and resurrection have already achieved. In the meantime based on what Christs life, death and resurrection have already achieved Hebrews 4:9 declares unequivocally There THEREFORE remains valid for the People of God a keeping of the Sabbath Day.

yeah.. it remains valid

Johnnz · Apr 2, 2011

The only time the Sabbath was decreed was under the Mosaic covenant. That covenant has been replaced, as was the covenant with Abraham involving circumcision,which also no longer applies to Christians.

John
NZ

visionary · Apr 2, 2011

sabbath was the test before the decree on mount sinai...

I was thinking of when I was teenager, and couldn't wait to be "free" from my parents' household rules. It was a rude awakening to find out that life wasn't easy. I long for the days when I had no worries and just had to do what they said to do. Shouldn't it be this way with Believers? But, NO...we want to FREE from His instructions! Go on out there, then. You'll wish you were back home, with your Father, someday!

Gerhard Ebersoehn · Apr 3, 2011

The only time the Sabbath was decreed by human agency and written on stones was under the Mosaic covenant. That covenant has been replaced, and no longer applies to Christians. Forever! Because that covenant has been replaced by The Word of God Raised from the dead eternally, "On the Sabbath Day in its FULLNESS being in the light of day beginning to incline towards the First Day of the week", "For God thus concerning the Seventh Day spake : And God the Seventh Day from all his works RESTED" --- in that He through Jesus Christ by resurrection from the dead, sanctified the Seventh Day and blessed it in that He FINISHED HAVING REVIVED ON IT. The Seventh Day Sabbath thus has been transformed, yea, recreated, into The Lords Day, and made sign of the New and Eternal Covenant of Grace.

Heavens · Apr 4, 2011

Good day brethren and sisters,
I hope everyone is enjoying your rest in Jesus Christ this beautiful Monday!
I sure am

Gerhard Ebersoehn · Apr 4, 2011

Heavens said:
Good day brethren and sisters,
I hope everyone is enjoying your rest in Jesus Christ this beautiful Monday!
I sure am

GE:

Subtly enjoying jesting at others, you know who....

... everyone who is enjoying the rest in Jesus Christ this beautiful Monday having yesterday on Sunday enjoyed the Lord's Day! Alas the poor Sabbath keepers....

QUOTE:
(Jas 3:17) But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

Heavens · Apr 5, 2011

Good day brethren and sisters,
I hope everyone is enjoying your rest in Jesus Christ this beautiful Tuesday!
I sure am

visionary · Apr 5, 2011

“And in that day there shall be a Root ( shoresh שֹׁרֶשׁ ) of Jesse ( Yishai יִשַׁי ), Who shall stand as a banner to the people; For the GENTILES ( Goyim גּוֹיִם ) shall seek HIM, And His resting place shall be glorious.” (Isa 11:10)

Do you know where He rests? ... in a space and time He set aside for rest.

Heavens · Apr 5, 2011

visionary said:
Sandy Bruce
And in that day there shall be a Root ( shoresh שֹׁרֶשׁ ) of Jesse ( Yishai יִשַׁי ), Who shall stand as a banner to the people; For the GENTILES ( Goyim גּוֹיִם ) shall seek HIM, And His resting place shall be glorious. (Isa 11:10)

Do you know where He rests? ... in a space and time He set aside for rest.

I sure do
The "space and time" He rests is "in me" and "now" Thank you Jesus!
Blessings to all who rest in Jesus' Rest!

visionary · Apr 5, 2011

Heavens said:
I sure do
The "space and time" He rests is "in me" and "now" Thank you Jesus!
Blessings to all who rest in Jesus' Rest!

The finite mind is such a boggle of noise.. there can no rest be found... That is why we go to Him for rest, not Him come to us for rest.

Frogster · Apr 5, 2011

visionary said:
Sandy Bruce
And in that day there shall be a Root ( shoresh שֹׁרֶשׁ ) of Jesse ( Yishai יִשַׁי ), Who shall stand as a banner to the people; For the GENTILES ( Goyim גּוֹיִם ) shall seek HIM, And His resting place shall be glorious. (Isa 11:10)

Do you know where He rests? ... in a space and time He set aside for rest.

Ok, rest from what? What is the rest all about, and was not Jesus talking present tense?

Matthew 11:28
Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Frogster · Apr 5, 2011

visionary said:
yeah.. it remains valid

My dear sister, you as a gentile were never given sabbath.

Psalm 147:19 He declares his word to Jacob,his statutes and rules to Israel.20 He has not dealt thus with any other nation;they do not know his rules.
Praise the LORD!

visionary · Apr 5, 2011

Frogster said:
My dear sister, you as a gentile were never given sabbath.

Psalm 147:19 He declares his word to Jacob,his statutes and rules to Israel.20 He has not dealt thus with any other nation;they do not know his rules.
Praise the LORD!

I am in the Lord's kingdom... Got in passed the gate.. yeah.. even the stranger is invited to keep it...
such a narrow gate too...Come on in...

Frogster · Apr 5, 2011

visionary said:
I am in the Lord's kingdom... Got in passed the gate.. yeah.. even the stranger is invited to keep it...

were invited, that deal ended. You are SUPPOSED TO BE of Abraham now, who had ye not sabbath, an historic event happened, the seed came.

I thought you support a futuristic temple, that does not allow gentiles?

Ez 44:9 “Thus says the Lord God: No foreigner, uncircumcised in heart and flesh, of all the foreigners who are among the people of Israel, shall enter my sanctuary.

Frogster · Apr 5, 2011

visionary said:
I am in the Lord's kingdom... Got in passed the gate.. yeah.. even the stranger is invited to keep it...

such a narrow gate too...Come on it...

by the way, was Jesus talking present tense, when he talked about giving rest?

Matthew 11:28
Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Heavens · Apr 5, 2011

visionary said:
The finite mind is such a boggle of noise.. there can no rest be found... That is why we go to Him for rest, not Him come to us for rest.

I'm sure glad I have the mind of Christ and that He is resting in me and I in Him

Where is His rest you ask?

(Isa 66:1) Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

Here it is

(Isa 66:2) For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

Ta daa!

Fulfilled in US!

(Act 7:48) Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
(Act 7:49) Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?

We are that TEMPLE HOUSE where the Lord rests!

(1Co 3:16) Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

Those with the finite mind can't see it of course, nor can they enter into His Rest as Christians ARE in His Rest.

Thank you Jesus, Lord of Sabbath, for your eternal Rest in US and we in YOU!

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