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With all due respects to SDA Christians.

One of many questions asked by sabbathkeepers, "What day is the sabbath day?". The answer to that question is, "the seventh day" or "Saturday." This does not mean that Christians are commanded to keep the sabbath. That conviction is seem contrary to the doctrines of the apostles.
Many people converts to Adventism because of how questions are posed to them rather that rightly deviding the word of God.


The questions raised by SDA on this subject does not consider what scripture teaches on about how to honor or worship God.


Romans 14:5
"One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind."


Galatians 4:9-11 "But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? You observe days and months and seasons and years. I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain."


Colossians 2:16-17 "Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day--things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ."


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With all due respects to SDA Christians.

One of many questions asked by sabbathkeepers, "What day is the sabbath day?". The answer to that question is, "the seventh day" or "Saturday." This does not mean that Christians are commanded to keep the sabbath. That conviction is seem contrary to the doctrines of the apostles.
Many people converts to Adventism because of how questions are posed to them rather that rightly deviding the word of God.
Sabbatarians of various flavors are usually so because they attribute the origin of the sabbath ordinance to the creation account, Genesis 2:1-3:

1: Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2: And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3: And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Yet this account indicates that there was only one "seventh day" during which God -and God alone- rested from His act of Creation. There is no ordinance given to man that can be associated to this account. It is allusion to this rest that God initiated the sabbath to remember Him as the Creator in Exodus 20:8-11. It wasn't an ordinance that existed at creation, but rather the creation account used as the impetus for the creation of the sabbath ordinance that is expressed in Exodus 2:11. And, while I usually don't appeal to paraphrases, the NLT expresses this creation account as the reason for the creation of the sabbath ordinance very well, and this expression is backed up in the original language:
For in six days the Lord made the heavens, the earth, the sea, and everything in them; but on the seventh day he rested. That is why the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart as holy.

In the AV, "wherefore" is used to render the "that is why" that appears in the NLT.

Hebrews 4:4 expresses the seventh day of creation as a single event that was never repeated, and compares it to the one time Joshua led the children of Israel into the promised land (reference to the provocation of Numbers 14 is in Hebrews 4).
Likewise, the sabbath ordinance is also given in the law to remember God the Deliverer, in Deuteronomy 5:15:
And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
This deliverance from Bondage was likewise a single event.

That's a long way to explain that there is no sabbath ordinance that can be found from creation.
The origin of the sabbath can only be found in Moses.
Even Nehemiah 9:13-14 documents the origin of the sabbath ordinance with Moses:

13: Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments:
14: And madest known unto them thy holy sabbath, and commandedst them precepts, statutes, and laws, by the hand of Moses thy servant.

Before Moses, there was no sabbath.

So, to answer your question "What day is the sabbath day?", the sole answer possible is Saturday, the seventh day of the week we know.
But, it would have been better to express your question as "What day was the sabbath day?", since the sabbath can't be found outside of Moses, the the sabbath was dependent on the Mosaic covenant that has been abolished.
There is no such thing as a sabbath without Moses.

The questions raised by SDA on this subject does not consider what scripture teaches on about how to honor or worship God.


Romans 14:5
"One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind."


Galatians 4:9-11 "But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? You observe days and months and seasons and years. I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain."


Colossians 2:16-17 "Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day--things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ."


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To these passages I need to make no comment.
The ordinances of dietary laws and various sabbaths spread over the annual cycle were mere shadows of the schoolmaster pointing to the reality that is in Jesus Christ.

Galatians 3:23-25 summarizes it best:
23: But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24: Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25: But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Since the sabbath can't be documented outside the Mosaic covenant (the ten commandments, see Deuteronomy 4:13), the ordinance of the sabbath was abolished along with the old covenant.

Good post, and really well posed questions!

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With all due respects to SDA Christians.

One of many questions asked by sabbathkeepers, "What day is the sabbath day?". The answer to that question is, "the seventh day" or "Saturday." This does not mean that Christians are commanded to keep the sabbath. That conviction is seem contrary to the doctrines of the apostles.
Many people converts to Adventism because of how questions are posed to them rather that rightly deviding the word of God.


The questions raised by SDA on this subject does not consider what scripture teaches on about how to honor or worship God.


Romans 14:5
"One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind."


Galatians 4:9-11 "But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? You observe days and months and seasons and years. I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain."


Colossians 2:16-17 "Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day--things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ."


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The way that the Sabbath is presented in SDA evangelistic seminars paints an inaccurate picture because Adventists focus on the claim that the Catholic Church usurped authority and changed the Sabbath to Sunday and that most Protestant churches have followed in the RCC's footsteps. They don't usually address the view that the Sabbath was always the seventh day but that it is not binding on Christians.
 
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Thanks for posting Vic and Sophia.

I agree with the points that you both made.

The Roman 14 text make it clear that, "...one man regards one day above the others.." This tells us that if a man makes one day as holy unto God, that man is convinced in his mind. (and that issue is between Him and God )
Paul also say that "...another man regards every day alike.... This explains that all men who come to God dont keep one day above the 6 other days. SDA should explain why Paul did not establish the Sabbath day as a Christian commandment but rather seem to to establish no paticular day to worship.

The book of Romans is addresing both Jewish and Gentile Christians. Rom 1:16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.


This authoritative lesson in Paul's letter gives counsel about "judging people who come to God in their faith" Rom 14:1 This chapter is very informative on this subject.

Rom 14:22Hast thou faith? have [it] to thyself before God. Happy [is] he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.

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The Roman 14 text make it clear that, "...one man regards one day above the others.." This tells us that if a man makes one day holy to God, that man is convinced in his mind. (and that issue is between Him and God)
Paul also say that "...another man regards every day alike.... This explains that all men who come to God dont keep one day above the 6 other days. SDA should explain why Paul did not establish the Sabbath day as a Christian commandment but rather seem to say that other options are also acceptable to God.
Very simply, Paul is allowing license to meet and serve God as each individual determines - which means that there isn't any ordinance to guide which day should be regarded above another. Those who came from a tradition rooted in Moses are free to meet on the sabbath day, and those who didn't can either join them or meet on another day.

2 Corinthians 3:17
...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

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The sabbath is the "seventh day". It was a creation ordinance, however for the Jews the seventh day was a saturday. For the Christian it is the Sunday or Lord's day. :)
Hi, Iosias,

Could you read through my earlier post from yesterday to see the basis for my thoughts? I very often hear the same type of comments you make from those who come from a traditional view, but I'm hoping you would offer some Scriptural support. For example:

  • Where do you find that the sabbath is, instead of was, since the ordinance governing the sabbath is rooted in the Mosaic covenant?
  • Where do you find that the sabbath ordinance is found in creation?
  • Where do you find that Christians even have a sabbath ordinance, never mind that it would be on Sunday or any other day?

I do agree that the Jewish sabbath is on Saturday. The covenant that the sabbath comes from doesn't have jurisdiction over those redeemed from it, and a simple reading of Romans 3:19 shows that the law the sabbath is a component of concludes those under it to be guilty before God:
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

This covenant mediated by Moses came to an end; summarized in Hebrews 10:9:
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
The primary objective of this epistle was to explain the change in covenants.

Thanks for your thoughts.

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The sabbath is the "seventh day". It was a creation ordinance, however for the Jews the seventh day was a saturday. For the Christian it is the Sunday or Lord's day. :)

Thanks for your comments Iosias

What proof do you have to show that sabbath was a "creation ordinace?"
I will be waiting to examine any scripture(s) you might post.

Saying that christians kept the sabbath on Sunday is a questionable statement, because historical and biblical proof, shows that Jewish christians kept both, while Gentile christians were not compelled to do so. Why did Paul say to a mostly gentile congregation "... who have bewitched you?"Gal 3:1

The teaching against circumcision is prime proof that being under the law was discouraged.Gal 5:6

The 4 gospel taught us how Peter was alway quick to speak and make decision. Text is not silent about how Peter felt about Gentiles joining the church. It was the Holy Spirit and not human reasoning to teach Peter about who God accepted into His Church. That is what Peter explained to the Jerusalem council
Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men [and] brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
Act 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as [he did] unto us;
Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Act 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

It took the Holy Spirit and not the customs and culture of the Jews as Paul was zealous to establish before his conversion. And being called and chosen as the Apostle of the Gentiles, he counted his history as rubbish.Phl 3:3-8

Yes, the Catholic church has made many claims buts why not accept and establish their claim of authority over the church of God?


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Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Q: What commandments and laws did Abraham keep?


A: Exd 12:40-51
When Isreal was first given the feast of the Passover,(the day they left Egypt) circumcision was included as commandments and "laws" for homeborn and the strangers. Exd 12:49 Notice that one set of laws was for the strangers and one set of laws was for the homeborn.
This does shed light on which commandments and laws that Abraham and his people also kept. (circumcision).

Q: Did Abraham keep the sabbath?
A: A seach for truth will find no evidence of sabbathkeeping.
Facts to observe; Initially, God sent Moses to pharoah to demand days off, so the COI could come and worship Him. The Pharoah seen this as a plan to rest from labor and he increased their bondage to making bricks by gathering their straw. Exd 5:5And Pharaoh said, Behold, the people of the land now [are] many, and ye make them rest from their burdens.

The day that the COI were set free from Egypt. I Ex ch12:1God commanded that they keep the Passover feast and circumcision laws, no mention of sabbath until God decides to prove the people in Ex16. Exd 16:4

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The sabbath is the "seventh day". It was a creation ordinance, however for the Jews the seventh day was a saturday. For the Christian it is the Sunday or Lord's day. :)

Can you kindly provide scripture for your above reasonings? If not then it must be understood to be an assumption of yours without proof.

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VictorC said:
Where do you find that the sabbath is, instead of was, since the ordinance governing the sabbath is rooted in the Mosaic covenant?

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." Col. 2:16-17
Emphasis mine.

VictorC said:
Where do you find that the sabbath ordinance is found in creation?

VictorC said:
For in six days the Lord made the heavens, the earth, the sea, and everything in them; but on the seventh day he rested. That is why the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart as holy.

Right there. The reason why Israel was commanded to keep the Sabbath was not because God decreed it as an ordinance of the Mosaic covenant, but because God is the creator of the universe. He didn't say "for this is an ordinance of My covenant with Israel", He said "For in six days the Lord made the heavens, the earth, the sea, and everything in them; but on the seventh day he rested". That was just as true before Moses, and it is just as true today. God is the Creator; ergo, we are to keep the Sabbath.

VictorC said:
Where do you find that Christians even have a sabbath ordinance, never mind that it would be on Sunday or any other day?

"So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God"
Hebrews 4:9, ESV
 
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Good point. The reason why Israel was commanded to keep the Sabbath was not because God decreed it as an ordinance of the Mosaic covenant, but because God is the creator of the universe. He didn't say "for this is an ordinance of My covenant with Israel", He said "For in six days the Lord made the heavens, the earth, the sea, and everything in them; but on the seventh day he rested". That was just as true before Moses, and it is just as true today. God is the Creator; ergo, we are to keep the Sabbath.
But before Moses, no one knew of or observed a sabbath - and even after Moses, the Gentiles remained oblivious of it. And yes, the sabbath was a component of the Mosaic covenant that has been "taken away" (Hebrews 10:9), unless you wish to make a point that the ten commandments have been abolished and we're supposed to be circumcised so that we can keep the Levitical feasts (Leviticus 23:3) and sacrifice two lambs every sabbath (Numbers 28:9-10).

I doubt you want to go in that direction.
No, it makes far greater sense that the sabbath was a sign that was given only to Israel, just as God had declared it to Moses in Exodus 31:12-14:

12: And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
13: Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
14: Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

Remember that this is codified ordinance, not a suggestion for "good" living, and with codified ordinance comes penalties for infraction: death.
That's why the ten commandments is referred to as the "ministration of death" in 2 Corinthians 3:7. That description is very accurate.

The sign of the sabbath was to remember God as the Creator, and that is the wording of Exodus 20:11. It would also draw rememberence to the seventh day that had significance until 1500 years after the giving of the commandment - it being the eternal rest of God that we enter into by faith, according to Hebrews 4:3-4.

The sign of the sabbath was also given to remember God as the Deliverer, and that is the wording of Deuteronomy 5:15:
And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.

And a review of Deuteronomy 5:2-3 reminds us that the generation previous to Moses did not have the ten commandments.

The creation, the exodus from Egypt, and the provocation of Numbers 14 that is referred to in Hebrews 4 are all single-time events. The seventh day of creation was a single event, and it was remembered in the shadow, or sign, of the sabbath ordinance.

The sabbath wasn't "true" before Moses.
Nor is it "true" today.
A Christian is to abide in Jesus Christ - not Moses, and the sabbath isn't to be found anywhere outside of the covenant mediated in the hands of Moses.

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You must have changed you post while I replied...
"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." Col. 2:16-17
Emphasis mine.
It should be apparent that Levitical dietary laws and the various sabbaths spread over the year are not grounds for judgment because the ordinances describing them have no jurisdiction over the redeemed.

The prose of the ancient Greek is written to look forward from an origin, instead of looking back from the author's view, which is more common today. This same passage in the NIV is accurately rendered:

Colossians 2:16-17
16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

The ordinances were mere shadows leading to Christ - the same role of the law described in Galatians 3:23-25:

23: But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24: Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25: But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

"So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God"
Hebrews 4:9, ESV
Hebrews 4:7-10
7: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, Today, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8: For if Joshua had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9: There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10: For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

The text says clearly "A rest", not a weekly rest. Sabbatismos is a simple noun that means "rest". --> Link <--

Joshua led Israel into the promised land once.
God finished creation and rested once.
"Today" is once.

By faith we are priveledged to enter into His once and never ending rest from our own works.

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VictorC said:
But before Moses, no one knew of or observed a sabbath

How do you know that?

VictorC said:
And yes, the sabbath was a component of the Mosaic covenant that has been "taken away" (Hebrews 10:9), unless you wish to make a point that the ten commandments have been abolished and we're supposed to be circumcised so that we can keep the Levitical feasts (Leviticus 23:3) and sacrifice two lambs every sabbath (Numbers 28:9-10).

I doubt you want to go in that direction.

Circumcision and animal sacrifice are two exceptional issues that are directly addressed in Scripture. Otherwise, I have no objection to "going in that direction". The New Covenant does not abolish God's Law. Have I not made my position on that clear?

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Remember that this is codified ordinance, not a suggestion for "good" living, and with codified ordinance comes penalties for infraction: death.
That's why the ten commandments is referred to as the "ministration of death" in 2 Corinthians 3:7. That description is very accurate.

Have I suggested otherwise?

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The sabbath wasn't "true" before Moses.
Nor is it "true" today.

As I pointed out, the Sabbath is in the doctrine of creation. The Sabbath is true because the doctrine of creation is true.

VictorC said:
A Christian is to abide in Jesus Christ - not Moses, and the sabbath isn't to be found anywhere outside of the covenant mediated in the hands of Moses.

Who gave the Law to Moses? (Exodus 3:14) (John 8:58)
 
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VictorC said:
The text says clearly "A rest", not a weekly rest. Sabbatismos is a simple noun that means "rest". --> Link <--

The link you gave states that the primary meaning of "sabbatismos" is "a keeping of the Sabbath". The secondary meaning is offered as the rest that believers will have in the age to come i.e., the Kingdom of God, which is what "things to come" in Col 2:17 refers to.
 
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How do you know that?
Because the first time a sabbath was mentioned in the Bible (Exodus 16), it took a couple of attempts at it until the children of Israel got the concept down. Also, Nehemiah 9:13-14 ascibes the knowledge of the sabbath ordinance to Moses:

13: Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments:
14: And madest known unto them thy holy sabbath, and commandedst them precepts, statutes, and laws, by the hand of Moses thy servant.

Beyond this, the argument is made in a vacuum. The burden is to show documentation that there was a sabbath prior to Moses, and that burden belongs to you.

Circumcision and animal sacrifice are two exceptional issues that are directly addressed in Scripture. Otherwise, I have no objection to "going in that direction". The New Covenant does not abolish God's Law. Have I not made my position on that clear?
No, you haven't.
Remember what I had written:
But before Moses, no one knew of or observed a sabbath - and even after Moses, the Gentiles remained oblivious of it. And yes, the sabbath was a component of the Mosaic covenant that has been "taken away" (Hebrews 10:9), unless you wish to make a point that the ten commandments have been abolished and we're supposed to be circumcised so that we can keep the Levitical feasts (Leviticus 23:3) and sacrifice two lambs every sabbath (Numbers 28:9-10).
If the law hasn't been abolished, then why doesn't the seventh-day Adventist church sacrifice two lambs every week on the sabbath day? Why does the seventh-day Adventist church choose to give lip service to the convocation of the weekly sabbath, and then take the liberty to offend the annual sabbaths of the unleavened bread, tabernacles, and so forth?

It should be clear that these laws have been abolished.
The book of the law and the two tables of stone embody 'one law', as it is defined in Numbers 15:16, Exodus 12:49, and elsewhere. It isn't divisible, the point made in Galatians 5:3, James 2:10, and like this in Galatians 3:10:
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

As for "God's law" that you made the claim isn't abolished in the new covenant, two things need to be remembered:
1) The old covenant was the ten commandments, Exodus 34:27-28 and Deuteronomy 4:13.
2) The epistle to the Hebrews was written to clarify the change of the covenants, from the one mediated by Moses to the one mediated by Christ, and a conclusion is found solidly in one verse concerning them, Hebrews 10:9:
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Have I suggested otherwise?
You may have, if you assert that the "law of God" (assumed to be the ten commandments in this discourse) is continuing; quoting you earlier:
The New Covenant does not abolish God's Law
...and then agreeing that it is the 'ministration of death' as referred to in 2 Corinthians 3:7. It is in that chapter that the ten commandments are concluded to be abolished:

2 Corinthians 3:9-13
9: For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10: For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11: For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
12: Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13: And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

The vail on the face of Moses links this chapter directly to Exodus 34, when Moses spent 40 days with God while receiving the second pair of stone tables with the ten commandments. Here it is clearly called 'abolished' in the AV.

As I pointed out, the Sabbath is in the doctrine of creation. The Sabbath is true because the doctrine of creation is true.
Creation isn't a "doctrine"; it is a historical fact.
Sabbath isn't to be found anywhere in the account, including Genesis 2:1-3.
See for yourself that it is an extra-Biblical claim that isn't found in Scripture anywhere.

Who gave the Law to Moses? (Exodus 3:14) (John 8:58)
God did, and that isn't in dispute.
But Moses didn't keep it to himself, as he was instructed to give it to all the children of Israel. This is why I qualified my statements as the covenant mediated by Moses.

Deuteronomy 4:
8: And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day?
9: Only take heed to thyself, and keep thy soul diligently, lest thou forget the things which thine eyes have seen, and lest they depart from thy heart all the days of thy life: but teach them thy sons, and thy sons' sons;
10: Specially the day that thou stoodest before the LORD thy God in Horeb, when the LORD said unto me, Gather me the people together, and I will make them hear my words, that they may learn to fear me all the days that they shall live upon the earth, and that they may teach their children.
11: And ye came near and stood under the mountain; and the mountain burned with fire unto the midst of heaven, with darkness, clouds, and thick darkness.
12: And the LORD spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice.
13: And He declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
14: And the LORD commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it.

And attribution of this law's mediation is made to Moses in the Gospel accounts:
John 1:17
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
John 7:19
Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law?
John 7:22-23
22: Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.
23: If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?

Moses received circumcision in Leviticus 12:1-3, and this changed its mediation from Abraham (Genesis 17:10) to Moses. It is because the law of Moses has been abolished that circumcision isn't a requirement anymore, and the covenant of the ten commandments is the "law of Moses".

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The link you gave states that the primary meaning of "sabbatismos" is "a keeping of the Sabbath". The secondary meaning is offered as the rest that believers will have in the age to come i.e., the Kingdom of God, which is what "things to come" in Col 2:17 refers to.
Wrong. I gave you the lexicon, and you didn't even quote it correctly. Here it is, verbatim from the Blue Letter Bible site:

1) a keeping sabbath
2) the blessed rest from toils and troubles looked for in the age to come by the true worshippers of God and true Christians

It isn't "a keeping of the Sabbath", as you claim.
It is "a keeping sabbath", as in an enduring rest - and the second definition offered alludes to an enduring rest that has no end!.

What you were doing was trying to change an adjective (keeping) into a verb (a keeping of). You forgot that sabbatismos is a noun.

It isn't plural.
It doesn't repeat.
It isn't periodic.
It isn't a weekly sabbath.

And, as I had mentioned to you in a previous post, Colossians 2:17 is written to connect the shadows of the dietary and various sabbath ordinances to the reality concluding them in Jesus Christ. The context demonstrates that intent, even if you can't handle the prose the AV repeats from the Greek. The NIV arranges this into the way contemporary thought is penned, and I gave that to you, as well.

You're trying to twist the passages into a preconceived notion, and that isn't a faithful handling of the Word of God.

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The link you gave states that the primary meaning of "sabbatismos" is "a keeping of the Sabbath". The secondary meaning is offered as the rest that believers will have in the age to come i.e., the Kingdom of God, which is what "things to come" in Col 2:17 refers to.


Wow...now thats a hatchet job that I have never seen before.


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Can you kindly provide scripture for your above reasonings? If not then it must be understood to be an assumption of yours without proof.

Creation
"And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made." (Genesis 2:2, 3)

Exodus 16
"See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day. So the people rested on the seventh day." (Exodus 16:29, 30)

Decalogue (Exodus)
"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it." (Exodus 20:8-11)

Decalogue (Deuteronomy)
"Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee. Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou. And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day." (Deuteronomy 5:12-15)

These texts demonstrate clearly that the sabbath was a principle. The principle was that one day out of seven was to be set apart for the public worship of God. This seventh day is moral and unchanging, the day it falls upon can be changed but only by God. Hence the Westminster Confession sums up the biblical teaching thus:

"As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment, binding all men, in all ages, He hath particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto Him (Exodus 20:8, 10, 11; Isaiah 56:2, 4, 6, 7): which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week; and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week (Genesis 2:2, 3; Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:1, 2), which, in Scripture, is called the Lord’s Day (Revelation 1:10), and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath (Exodus 20:8, 10, with Matthew 5:17, 18)."
 
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