Ruining the Earth.

Erik Nelson · Sep 29, 2019

BobRyan said:
Rev 11:18 "destroy those who destroy the earth" certainly condemns pollution. But the climate of Earth has been warming since the ice age. And before the flood the climate overall was much warmer than it is today - no polar ice caps at all.

So while I do agree with condemning the practice of polluting the Earth - I don't think the climate "Change" narrative is including all the facts that pertain.

The Agricultural Revolution, acting over thousands of years, has deforested whole continents' worth of trees for farmland

Arguably more total accumulated Climatic effects than the far more recent Industrial Revolution

GingerBeer · Sep 29, 2019

Erik Nelson said:
The Agricultural Revolution, acting over thousands of years, has deforested whole continents' worth of trees for farmland

Arguably more total accumulated Climatic effects than the far more recent Industrial Revolution

Why is it arguable that deforestation in Europe and parts of North & South America causes "more ... Climatic effects than the far more recent Industrial Revolution"? What peer reviewed studies have backed up your statement?

Erik Nelson · Sep 29, 2019

GingerBeer said:
Why is it arguable that deforestation in Europe and parts of North & South America causes "more ... Climatic effects than the far more recent Industrial Revolution"? What peer reviewed studies have backed up your statement?

By 6000 BC, the Agricultural Revolution was beginning to have measurable climate impact:

The Neolithic Revolution

The history of agriculture begins with the Neolithic Revolution, an event that occurred around 12,000 years ago but is still having lasting impacts...

Some humans began cultivating the surplus of crops, while others continued the practice of hunting and gathering. Jericho is the first known region where crop cultivation occurred, and it is also the first known town, with a population of 2,000 people (Gascoigne). While the adoption of crop cultivation helped civilizations like Jericho develop and increase their populations, there is a negative side to crop cultivation. The change in land use from forests to farmland released carbon into the atmosphere. Because trees absorb carbon, tearing them down causes their stored carbon to be released into the atmosphere. Once in the atmosphere, this carbon can undergo a chemical reaction and become carbon dioxide (Adger and Brown). Jericho is one example of how agricultural practices led to increased populations, further contributing to global warming through deforestation.

Another type of agricultural change caused by the Neolithic Revolution was the domestication of livestock, which allowed humans to become less nomadic. Villages and towns were able to develop and survive off of nearby resources. However, the domestication of livestock caused resources to go to animals instead of humans, meaning more crops had to be produced (Foley et al.). Another negative result of livestock is the amount of manure produced, which contains large amounts of methane. While carbon dioxide and nitrous oxide levels were not severely influenced by the Neolithic Revolution [12,000 years ago], they have experienced increases in the past 8,000 years that have caused the Earth to be warmer than it would have been without anthropogenic influences (Ruddiman). This revolution marks the beginning of a rise in anthropogenic gases and also created the groundwork for future agricultural practices that have had greater impacts on global warming.

Feeding Global Warming: Assessing the Impact of Agriculture on Climate Change | The People, Ideas, and Things (PIT) Journal

Erik Nelson · Sep 29, 2019

https://physics.ucf.edu/~britt/Climate/Reading5-Did humans alter global climate.pdf

Looks like we may want to prolong carbon emissions at lower levels to stave off ice age

BobRyan · Sep 30, 2019

Erik Nelson said:
By 6000 BC, the Agricultural Revolution was beginning to have measurable climate impact:

How curious that someone is there 6000 BC to compare "the measurable change" from 6100 BC

BobRyan · Sep 30, 2019

Erik Nelson said:
View attachment 264090

https://physics.ucf.edu/~britt/Climate/Reading5-Did humans alter global climate.pdf

Looks like we may want to prolong carbon emissions at lower levels to stave off ice age

And then there is this

Ice ages come in cycles - are we headed for another one?

BobRyan · Sep 30, 2019

More of the same

Erik Nelson · Sep 30, 2019

BobRyan said:
And then there is this

Same data, your figure shows the actual, Ruddiman's also shows the expected "natural" trend "below" (colder than) the actual trend:

Erik Nelson · Sep 30, 2019

BobRyan said:
How curious that someone is there 6000 BC to compare "the measurable change" from 6100 BC

Are you mincing words ?

The observed temperature trend diverged measurably from the expected natural baseline beginning around / about / approximately / roughly / ballpark / more or less / in the neighborhood community area of 8000 years ago...

after 4000 years of burgeoning Agricultural Revolution expanding outwards from the Fertile Crescent

After about / around / approximately 4000 years, growing farmer populations began to have marked effect on the global climate

Erik Nelson · Sep 30, 2019

BobRyan said:
More of the same

yes, same basic data plotted in more detail for the past 5K years

Daniel Martinovich · Sep 30, 2019

This really is the bottom line:

BobRyan · Sep 30, 2019

That's a good one - for millennia it seems - someone has had to lose an organ or two so government could control the climate "for our good"

expos4ever · Sep 30, 2019

JacksBratt said:
That is the weapon here.. Ridicule, condescension, name calling and slander anyone who dares to disagree with the agenda.

Ridicule is an entirely legimate response. Just as it is when people:

- argue the earth is 10,000 years old;
- claim that vaccines are a threat;
- say that the earth is flat;
- claim that Donald Trump is not a clown (at least in terms of his public behaviour).

Here's the thing: when someone holds a patently wacky idea, to put away the "weapon" of ridicule effectively confers an aura of respectability on a nutty idea.

It is perfectly legitimate, and arguably highly responsible, to ridicule certain ideas.

Erik Nelson · Sep 30, 2019

expos4ever said:
Ridicule is an entirely legimate response. Just as it is when people:

- argue the earth is 10,000 years old;
- claim that vaccines are a threat;
- say that the earth is flat;
- claim that Donald Trump is not a clown (at least in terms of his public behaviour).

Here's the thing: when someone holds a patently wacky idea, to put away the "weapon" of ridicule effectively confers an aura of respectability on a nutty idea.

It is perfectly legitimate, and arguably highly responsible, to ridicule certain ideas.

what about people who blithely understate the obviously anomalous power of religion throughout human history?

Erik Nelson · Sep 30, 2019

Daniel Martinovich said:
This really is the bottom line:View attachment 264134

appeasement?

Daniel Martinovich · Sep 30, 2019

No. Just pointing out the climate change alarmism is nothing other than an agenda to subjugate us.

Erik Nelson · Sep 30, 2019

Daniel Martinovich said:
No. Just pointing out the climate change alarmism is nothing other than an agenda to subjugate us.

requiring sacrifices, if not of life and limb, of some measure liberty and liquidity?

klutedavid · Sep 30, 2019

BobRyan said:
More of the same

Phew that's a relief I thought the planet was warming. I notice that the graph only reaches up to 119 years ago.

Why didn't they continue the graph to the present?

klutedavid · Sep 30, 2019

Daniel Martinovich said:
This really is the bottom line:View attachment 264134

The only tried and true method to control a volcanic eruption.

JacksBratt · Oct 1, 2019

expos4ever said:
Ridicule is an entirely legimate response. Just as it is when people:

- argue the earth is 10,000 years old;
- claim that vaccines are a threat;
- say that the earth is flat;
- claim that Donald Trump is not a clown (at least in terms of his public behaviour).

Here's the thing: when someone holds a patently wacky idea, to put away the "weapon" of ridicule effectively confers an aura of respectability on a nutty idea.

It is perfectly legitimate, and arguably highly responsible, to ridicule certain ideas.

Ridicule is the response of the ignorant.

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