Rome and the Middle East [Of course, this topic is EVERYWHERE]

Sunrunner · Sep 19, 2006

Alright, so obviously this topic is all over the place, but I'd like to hear some of your thoughts here as well.

I feel these events will lead to other Christian leaders uniting with the Papacy as violence against Christians escalate. And I don't think that will be a good union either.

Dasdream · Sep 19, 2006

All I know is this is so that they can control the world and force them to belive in the same God....hmm sound familiar?

OntheDL · Sep 20, 2006

Sunrunner said:
Alright, so obviously this topic is all over the place, but I'd like to hear some of your thoughts here as well.

I feel these events will lead to other Christian leaders uniting with the Papacy as violence against Christians escalate. And I don't think that will be a good union either.

Remember the bible says how many people will wonder after the beast? ALL.

So eventually the muslim religion and all religions will unite with the Papacy.

I'm not sure what the pope was trying to do there. But remember at the top of the muslim religion, it's a freemason organization that's controlled by the jesuits. So it's all part of a plan.

StormyOne · Sep 21, 2006

why are people focusing on .orgs that the bible has already predicted will be overthrown and the everlasting kingdom established? Who cares who unites with whom, if you belong to Christ then you are safe.... which is what the focus should be.... IMO.....

Dasdream · Sep 21, 2006

We know that, we are just trying to open peoples eyes, to the reality that the prosecution is very very near.......well I do anyway

chocolatecheesecake · Sep 21, 2006

hehehe i go to a sevvie church and have had bible stidies on alot of this stuff, and seriously, we have no idea who is who, we dont know if islam is really a freemason org, we dont know if the pope is the beast, we got nothing.

so the moral of the story? look to Jesus not the enemy. ever ridden a motor bike? if you look at something your going to hit it, same deal i think.,

Sunrunner · Sep 21, 2006

StormyOne said:
why are people focusing on .orgs that the bible has already predicted will be overthrown and the everlasting kingdom established? Who cares who unites with whom, if you belong to Christ then you are safe.... which is what the focus should be.... IMO.....

Very good thought. I think it's beneficial to study and discuss prophecy/doctrine, but you raise an important point. In fact, sometimes, half of the Church's spiritual problems could be fixed by stepping aside for a moment and focusing on the basics.

OntheDL · Sep 22, 2006

chocolatecheesecake said:
hehehe i go to a sevvie church and have had bible stidies on alot of this stuff, and seriously, we have no idea who is who, we dont know if islam is really a freemason org, we dont know if the pope is the beast, we got nothing.

so the moral of the story? look to Jesus not the enemy. ever ridden a motor bike? if you look at something your going to hit it, same deal i think.,

There are histric documents proved the The muslim leaders are masons. Have you studied them?

And the historic documents and the Bible proved the papacy is the beast. Have you studied on that?

Do not make a blatant statement that you can't back it up.

chocolatecheesecake · Sep 23, 2006

yes, i have studied about the catholic church being the beast and i dont buy it, the whole danial visions and such yeah. the bible does not say, "The Pope is the beast" so yeah, it can for sure be taken as it saying that, but i am still unsure, like i know that if can look like it and be read as saying that it is the beast.

got any links to the site or where i can get my hands on the documents about islam being ran by masons? cause i have heard it and all but no evidence was put forward, just prop, so yeah would be cool.

also, dont trust everything document you read,

peace

amadeus72 · Sep 28, 2006

OntheDL said:
There are histric documents proved the The muslim leaders are masons. Have you studied them?

Do not make a blatant statement that you can't back it up.

I think that's exactly what you just did. Fundamentalist Muslims are anti-Masonic, and cannot become Freemasons. In fact, the only Islamic country where Freemasonry is legally practiced is Turkey, which is a liberal democracy. Masonic Lodges are proscribed in all the rest.

OntheDL · Sep 28, 2006

amadeus72 said:
I think that's exactly what you just did. Fundamentalist Muslims are anti-Masonic, and cannot become Freemasons. In fact, the only Islamic country where Freemasonry is legally practiced is Turkey, which is a liberal democracy. Masonic Lodges are proscribed in all the rest.

This is how the devil works: he creates apparent contradiction to confuse people of the true intention. But the final goal is to bring about the final solution no matter how it is achieved.

The leaders of both side of the mideast conflict are high masons. The war on Terror itself was a devised plan of Albert Pike, a 33 degree freemason.

Do you think it's possible what's on the surface may not be what's secrete?

Cliff2 · Sep 28, 2006

If we look at what the Bibles says about the beast and what the character of the beast is then it is not too hard to work out who this beast is.

Obviously the ultimate beast is Satan but he uses a power on earth that suits his goals, aims and desires.

Remember that the Bible says all the world will follow the beast and make an image to it.

It is political and a religious organization, it stands in the place of God attempting to do the work that God does.

We do not have to look too far to find out who does this work.

What group comes out and says it can forgive sins, says that their leader is God on earth.

I doubt if we have to have a degree in theology to work this one out.

amadeus72 · Sep 29, 2006

OntheDL said:
The leaders of both side of the mideast conflict are high masons.

If what you say is true, please provide the names of these "leaders" as well as the names and numbers of the Lodges in which they hold membership. Thanks.

The war on Terror itself was a devised plan of Albert Pike, a 33 degree freemason.

Would you mind explaining how a guy that died before light bulbs were invented is responsible for the current terrorism crisis? Thanks.

OntheDL · Sep 29, 2006

amadeus72 said:
If what you say is true, please provide the names of these "leaders" as well as the names and numbers of the Lodges in which they hold membership. Thanks.

Are you a mason? Why are you defending them? So if I give you the info, you have a way to verify them???

Would you mind explaining how a guy that died before light bulbs were invented is responsible for the current terrorism crisis? Thanks.

Albert Pike claimed to have received the vision from Lucifer. You are going to tell me the masons aren't Luciferians?

Plus you don't belong to this congregation. You shouldn't be arguing here. Please read the forum rules.

amadeus72 · Sep 29, 2006

Plus you don't belong to this congregation. You shouldn't be arguing here. Please read the forum rules.

You're right, and my apologies to the mods. If you'd like to continue the debate, please send me a private message, and we can meet on neutral ground.

However, just for the record, let me state emphatically that Albert Pike never claimed any visions from "Lucifer", or any visions from anyone else, for that matter. Pike was a philosopher and a rationalist, not a spiritist or believer in other such superstitions.

Jon0388g · Sep 29, 2006

Is it possible to get visions from satan? The angels can't see into the future?

J

Cliff2 · Oct 1, 2006

Is it possible to get visions from satan? The angels can't see into the future?

J

True, the angels can't see into the future but that does not stop the devil from making claims that he can see into the future.

The devil has much experience to go on and can make a very good guess at what the future holds.

At times the devil is bound to get it something right.

yeshuaslavejeff · Oct 1, 2006

where is it written "angels cannot see the future" ?

the same angels who Know that Yahshua is the Messiah and who Know that their judgment is in a fiery pit ? (that's a lot more than most people know)

the fallen one who was highest once, what if he does know the future?
(not like Yahweh, who created all and sets the boundaries of all)
and not infallibly - the fallen one has given many dreams and visions to deceive the multitudes; false dreams and visions but temporally convincing.

still, where is it written "angels cannot see the future" ?

Sophia7 · Oct 1, 2006

Cliff2 said:
True, the angels can't see into the future but that does not stop the devil from making claims that he can see into the future.

The devil has much experience to go on and can make a very good guess at what the future holds.

At times the devil is bound to get it something right.

I agree. Satan can give people what they think is knowledge of the future, even if he can't see into the future. He's pretty good at making up lies and convincing people to accept them as truth. I belive that he can give people visions and deceive them into thinking that they are foretelling the future.

Cliff2 · Oct 3, 2006

Sophia

You are right, also I believe that Satan is far wiser than we give him credit for. His interlect to start with would have been far greater than what we have now.

In some ways it is a bit like a parent. The parent knows from observing how the kids react and behave. From that am assumption can be made and many times it is right.

In most cases that is what Satan is doing, just making a calculated guess. From experience that guess can often be right

where is it written "angels cannot see the future" ?

As far as I know it is not written directly in the Bible but then where does it say angels can see the future.

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