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scham said:What i'm trying to say is that mary was the vessel in which God used to bring jesus to earth. I do understand that scripture, I was in a rush when i wrote it so it did'nt come across as i ment it.
just because mary gave birth to jesus doesn't give her the power to answer prayer.
When your sick do you got to the doctor or his/her mum?
What i'm saying is that you go straight to the one who can heal rather than go to his mother, whats the point in going to mary to ask on my behalf when its Jesus i have the relationship with and Jesus is the one who heal me, so why not just ask him straight away?Oblio said:She was more than just a vessel, He received our humanity from her, without which we cannot be saved.
She does not answer prayer as God does but rather petitions her Son on our behalf.
If an infant or child is sick, does he call the doctor or does his mum call him ?
scham said:What i'm saying is that you go straight to the one who can heal rather than go to his mother, whats the point in going to mary to ask on my behalf when its Jesus i have the relationship with and Jesus is the one who heal me, so why not just ask him straight away?
Mary was a woman who found favour in Gods eyes and was very blessed to be his natural mother on earth. after jesus baptism you don't hear about mary until his death, so why do we need to ask mary to ask jesus?
scham said:Well i'm sorry if thats what you think I was thinking but you misunderstand, I belive with all my heart that mary had God in her womb, I just don't belive I need to pray to her so she can ask him, when I can ask him myself.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
I know the passage you are referring to . .scham said:If i remember correctly Jesus snubbed his mother and brothers when he went back to his home town and said that those who follow Him are his mother and brothers so He can't of held her up that high in terms of spiritual role
If his mum is the nurse who runs his office, you go to his mum first to go to him . .scham said:What i'm trying to say is that mary was the vessel in which God used to bring jesus to earth. I do understand that scripture, I was in a rush when i wrote it so it did'nt come across as i ment it.
just because mary gave birth to jesus doesn't give her the power to answer prayer.
When your sick do you got to the doctor or his/her mum?
Jesus addresses her as "woman" when He's on the cross. Interesting.
I'm not sure either, but I think that the Catholic Church has taken no official stand on whether or not Mary died before being assumed into heaven. I think many theologins believe that she did die, but this is not a definite teaching. We certainly believe that she was assumed into heaven. An interesting bit of trivia: There are none of Mary's bones as relics and there is ,as far as I know, no historical record of there ever being any of her bones as relics.SLStrohkirch said:I think the problem that many Protestants have is that while they agree about her being the chosen one to be mother to the Christ they often see her as only human afterwards and having no special purpose. They also don't believe that she was like Elijah taken into heaven without dying. I'm not sure but I believe Catholic tradition supports this but scripture is silent about what happened to her.
The word "woman" used in John 19:26 translates as both "woman" and "wife". So, depending on how it is translated, Jesus is either saying that John is now Mary's son or that Jesus was giving His blessing for Mary and John to marry. Since John took Mary into his house, the latter would be more probable since unmarried women did not take up with a male outside of the family (it would be shameful to do so). The former is more commonly accepted because of the word "son", but "son" may simply imply that John is a "son of Abraham" or "child of Israel".2Bhumble said:John 19:26 KJV...
When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!
NIV...
When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, "Dear woman, here is your son,"
Jesus addresses her as "woman" when He's on the cross. Interesting.
abbygirlforever said:The word "woman" used in John 19:26 translates as both "woman" and "wife". So, depending on how it is translated, Jesus is either saying that John is now Mary's son or that Jesus was giving His blessing for Mary and John to marry. Since John took Mary into his house, the latter would be more probable since unmarried women did not take up with a male outside of the family (it would be shameful to do so).
Which holds more authority, the Bible or Holy Tradition? Tradition is OK, but sometimes it's wrong. Just because people have done it this way or believed this way for a long time doesn't mean they are right.Oblio said:The problem with this view is that it directly conflicts with Holy Tradition.
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