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<blockquote data-quote="Eight Foot Manchild" data-source="post: 75157387" data-attributes="member: 268751"><p>In this hypothetical example, I assume the intended outcome would be to draw attention to Mr. Cube's history of anti-Semitism, and perhaps get him to sincerely apologize for it, and show signs of having changed as a person. As such things go, I think a boycott campaign would probably be more effective.</p><p></p><p>As I've said before though...he's still alive. I think the considerations are different than when you're talking about someone who is long dead.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In that example, to not have statues of slave owners.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yup. But we're not talking about sculpture in general, are we? We're talking about a particular kind of statue, with a particular intent behind it. And that's what this reckoning is about - who should really get to have this kind of statue, and in what context.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Hard </strong>disagree. That's the point of putting them up in the first place. You and I might not engage much in the practice of American civil religion (I don't even stand for the anthem, personally), but that is the intent. To venerate these men, and their life's work. That's how you get people willing to kill and die over them.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think the meaning is quite clear - don't venerate slave owners, or perpetrators of genocide.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure it is. It's a whole bunch of individual opinions converging toward a prevailing attitude. Not sure what you mean by "collective understanding", but that's all I mean.</p><p></p><p>And I don't know why it happens, either. Just <strong>that</strong> it happens.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>His example is an easy one to figure out. For me, anyway:</p><p></p><p>Because he married into a slave owning family.</p><p></p><p>It doesn't erase any of his accomplishments. It doesn't impede us from taking inspiration from his good deeds. All it means is, he doesn't get a particular kind of statue. He doesn't get to have that particular kind of reverent representation, in public display.</p><p></p><p>And after some soul-searching, I'm OK with that. The world keeps turning.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Eight Foot Manchild, post: 75157387, member: 268751"] In this hypothetical example, I assume the intended outcome would be to draw attention to Mr. Cube's history of anti-Semitism, and perhaps get him to sincerely apologize for it, and show signs of having changed as a person. As such things go, I think a boycott campaign would probably be more effective. As I've said before though...he's still alive. I think the considerations are different than when you're talking about someone who is long dead. In that example, to not have statues of slave owners. Yup. But we're not talking about sculpture in general, are we? We're talking about a particular kind of statue, with a particular intent behind it. And that's what this reckoning is about - who should really get to have this kind of statue, and in what context. [B]Hard [/B]disagree. That's the point of putting them up in the first place. You and I might not engage much in the practice of American civil religion (I don't even stand for the anthem, personally), but that is the intent. To venerate these men, and their life's work. That's how you get people willing to kill and die over them. I think the meaning is quite clear - don't venerate slave owners, or perpetrators of genocide. Sure it is. It's a whole bunch of individual opinions converging toward a prevailing attitude. Not sure what you mean by "collective understanding", but that's all I mean. And I don't know why it happens, either. Just [B]that[/B] it happens. His example is an easy one to figure out. For me, anyway: Because he married into a slave owning family. It doesn't erase any of his accomplishments. It doesn't impede us from taking inspiration from his good deeds. All it means is, he doesn't get a particular kind of statue. He doesn't get to have that particular kind of reverent representation, in public display. And after some soul-searching, I'm OK with that. The world keeps turning. [/QUOTE]
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