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<blockquote data-quote="Ana the Ist" data-source="post: 75157313" data-attributes="member: 302807"><p>There's an intended outcome??</p><p></p><p>I honestly thought this was all just vain moralizing and virtue signaling.</p><p></p><p>When one goes about destroying the statue of Grant, for example, what's the intended outcome?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Never saw it that way....still don't. Sculpture has long been a mainstay of art, some people are sculpted into statues and others aren't.</p><p></p><p>It lacks the veneration of an idol. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't get an unpleasant feeling because it's Washington or Grant....</p><p></p><p>I get an unpleasant feeling because of the needless destruction of the work of others....the ignorant celebration of that destruction....the lack of any meaning behind the act apart from self indulgence.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's not really a collective understanding though.</p><p></p><p>Even when you look at attitudes towards slavery, for example, you can make a generalization like "more people increasingly believed slavery to be wrong".</p><p></p><p>What you can't say is why. Some would say because the practice was too awful...or ungodly. Others because they recognized humanity in slaves. Others because they believed slaves should be returned to Africa.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>To me...it looks more like Neo Confederalism. Bare with me...</p><p></p><p>After the Confederacy was defeated and the war won....you had a fair sized group of people who wanted to dignify their defeat by reframing the nature and cause of the war. This sentiment prevailed to some extent....failed in other ways.</p><p></p><p>Once it trickled into academia in the south however, it found its home. It presented itself as the "unvarnished truth" but it was mostly about subjective opinion and perception and denial of any evidence to the contrary.</p><p></p><p>Well now you have a similar movement these days....but instead of just speaking the truth, anyone who is white and a part of the building of the US is viewed from the cynical and pessimistic lens of being a racist or white supremacist. It's utter garbage...and it's coming from the academic left this time. I mean, Grant himself literally refused the surrender of Confederate soldiers unless they gave up their slaves. He let them keep all their property....but not their slaves.</p><p></p><p>Is he a perfect man? Far from it. I think we can make a strong argument that he did more for black people in his day than any person alive today. Why tear down his statue?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ana the Ist, post: 75157313, member: 302807"] There's an intended outcome?? I honestly thought this was all just vain moralizing and virtue signaling. When one goes about destroying the statue of Grant, for example, what's the intended outcome? Never saw it that way....still don't. Sculpture has long been a mainstay of art, some people are sculpted into statues and others aren't. It lacks the veneration of an idol. I don't get an unpleasant feeling because it's Washington or Grant.... I get an unpleasant feeling because of the needless destruction of the work of others....the ignorant celebration of that destruction....the lack of any meaning behind the act apart from self indulgence. That's not really a collective understanding though. Even when you look at attitudes towards slavery, for example, you can make a generalization like "more people increasingly believed slavery to be wrong". What you can't say is why. Some would say because the practice was too awful...or ungodly. Others because they recognized humanity in slaves. Others because they believed slaves should be returned to Africa. To me...it looks more like Neo Confederalism. Bare with me... After the Confederacy was defeated and the war won....you had a fair sized group of people who wanted to dignify their defeat by reframing the nature and cause of the war. This sentiment prevailed to some extent....failed in other ways. Once it trickled into academia in the south however, it found its home. It presented itself as the "unvarnished truth" but it was mostly about subjective opinion and perception and denial of any evidence to the contrary. Well now you have a similar movement these days....but instead of just speaking the truth, anyone who is white and a part of the building of the US is viewed from the cynical and pessimistic lens of being a racist or white supremacist. It's utter garbage...and it's coming from the academic left this time. I mean, Grant himself literally refused the surrender of Confederate soldiers unless they gave up their slaves. He let them keep all their property....but not their slaves. Is he a perfect man? Far from it. I think we can make a strong argument that he did more for black people in his day than any person alive today. Why tear down his statue? [/QUOTE]
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