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<blockquote data-quote="Eight Foot Manchild" data-source="post: 75157057" data-attributes="member: 268751"><p>I would call that a form of association, yes.</p><p></p><p>You're not telling me anything I don't know. I've been a hip hop fan for a long time.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Taking down a statue doesn't hurt anyone, except their pride...unless it falls on you. And leaving it up still begs a lot of questions.</p><p></p><p>We're having a big cultural reckoning right now, concerning the very nature of idolization. We're having to ask, what are we saying about ourselves when we idolize - and <em>idealize</em> - someone in the form of a statue or other monument? Who do we allow to be idolized, and in what contexts? How much weight do we give intent vs outcome, in assessing which existing monuments should come down?</p><p></p><p>We're going to continue to struggle with these questions, and probably make lots of poor judgements. I think the most we can hope for at this time is that we end up converging on some generally applicable criteria on what kind of behaviors disqualify someone from this kind of idolization, regardless of their other life's work.</p><p></p><p>My own personal criteria are slavery, genocide, and the sexual exploitation of children. For what it's worth. Yes, that would mean a lot of statues come down. Yes, I have searched my soul, and found that I don't really care that much. I'm ready for a big shift in our collective understanding of what it means to idolize and idealize someone. I think it's a sign of growth as human beings, and ultimately a good thing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Eight Foot Manchild, post: 75157057, member: 268751"] I would call that a form of association, yes. You're not telling me anything I don't know. I've been a hip hop fan for a long time. Taking down a statue doesn't hurt anyone, except their pride...unless it falls on you. And leaving it up still begs a lot of questions. We're having a big cultural reckoning right now, concerning the very nature of idolization. We're having to ask, what are we saying about ourselves when we idolize - and [I]idealize[/I] - someone in the form of a statue or other monument? Who do we allow to be idolized, and in what contexts? How much weight do we give intent vs outcome, in assessing which existing monuments should come down? We're going to continue to struggle with these questions, and probably make lots of poor judgements. I think the most we can hope for at this time is that we end up converging on some generally applicable criteria on what kind of behaviors disqualify someone from this kind of idolization, regardless of their other life's work. My own personal criteria are slavery, genocide, and the sexual exploitation of children. For what it's worth. Yes, that would mean a lot of statues come down. Yes, I have searched my soul, and found that I don't really care that much. I'm ready for a big shift in our collective understanding of what it means to idolize and idealize someone. I think it's a sign of growth as human beings, and ultimately a good thing. [/QUOTE]
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