Righteous and Holy

[visionary]

Revelation 22:11
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

Is Holy one step more than just righteous? Is Holy apart from righteousness?

Now someone is going to be asking in their mind how is it possible to be holy and not righteous. When a person is in the Presence of His Holiness, righteousness is given as a clock of covering so that he may be able to stand in His Presence.

Romans 2:13...it is those who obey the Torah who will be declared righteous.

Immediately comes to mind all the arguments regarding the righteousness of the Pharisees who were in their mind obedient to the Torah.. But they were missing the boat. The spiritual obedience to Torah is deeper than just the legal aspect. I do not want this thread to rabbit trail into all the arguments on this. I want to have you focus on Holy and Righteous and their distinctions. As I was saying Righteousness in God's eye is a spiritual depth of living the Torah life. It does the weightier matters and judges righteously for the love of God and neighbor. It is a selfless act.

Holy is not something we can achieve in and of ourselves. It is a gift from God. So when rev 2:11 talks about those who are HOLY .... how can this be? I am leaning towards the sanctuary service message, entering into that closer walk with God, being like Enoch who walked with God.

 

[mlepfitjw]

Hello sir visionary, hope you do not mind me sharing just this simple verse. Take care, and God bless friend.

2 Corinthians 13:14 May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

May you find joy in your walk with God.

 

[visionary]

Hello sir visionary, hope you do not mind me sharing just this simple verse. Take care, and God bless friend.

2 Corinthians 13:14 May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

May you find joy in your walk with God.

You too.. May you also grow with Him in His righteousness and Holiness.

 

[HARK!]

I see it this way: Righteousness is obedience to the law. Yet holiness conjures up abstract images of stained glass and candles. I'm pretty sure that you know what kadosh really means. For those who don't, it means dedicated.

YHWH wants us to be obedient to his word; and he wants us to be dedicated to him. So what's the difference. We are entering marriage covenant with his son. Before that, Israel was in a marriage covenant with the Father.

So let us look at this from a perspective of a marriage.

Is it possible for a wife to be completely obedient to her loving husband, yet not be dedicated to him, only doing what he asks, but having no heart for him?

 

[visionary]

I was thinking more about the Temple services, where we are to enter the service of Him as His priests. This is an inner court work that is coming. It is where the sealing happens. I also know that it ultimately plays a role of Yom Kippur and the wedding which I think you are alluding to.

 

[HARK!]

I was thinking more about the Temple services, where we are to enter the service of Him as His priests. This is an inner court work that is coming. It is where the sealing happens. I also know that it ultimately plays a role of Yom Kippur and the wedding which I think you are alluding to.

I was simply presenting an analogy of our relationship with The Father and/or Yahshua.

The Temple services? Where the sealing happens? Inner court working? Coming when?

I'm having trouble understanding what you're attempting to convey here. Maybe you can tie together those thoughts in bite sized pieces that I can understand. You have lots of deep study in areas that I've only begun to touch on.

 

[Laureate]

Revelation 22:11
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

Is Holy one step more than just righteous? Is Holy apart from righteousness?

Now someone is going to be asking in their mind how is it possible to be holy and not righteous. When a person is in the Presence of His Holiness, righteousness is given as a clock of covering so that he may be able to stand in His Presence.

Romans 2:13...it is those who obey the Torah who will be declared righteous.

Immediately comes to mind all the arguments regarding the righteousness of the Pharisees who were in their mind obedient to the Torah.. But they were missing the boat. The spiritual obedience to Torah is deeper than just the legal aspect. I do not want this thread to rabbit trail into all the arguments on this. I want to have you focus on Holy and Righteous and their distinctions. As I was saying Righteousness in God's eye is a spiritual depth of living the Torah life. It does the weightier matters and judges righteously for the love of God and neighbor. It is a selfless act.

Holy is not something we can achieve in and of ourselves. It is a gift from God. So when rev 2:11 talks about those who are HOLY .... how can this be? I am leaning towards the sanctuary service message, entering into that closer walk with God, being like Enoch who walked with God.

Our Righteousness reflects the Justifications of our Inclinations, whereas we are deemed Holy when we hold, and keep to, and refrain, and abstain from something, this is what Sets one Apart from others who do not hold, and keep, nor refrain, and abstain.

 

[Laureate]

I see it this way: Righteousness is obedience to the law. Yet holiness conjures up abstract images of stained glass and candles. I'm pretty sure that you know what kadosh really means. For those who don't, it means dedicated.

YHWH wants us to be obedient to his word; and he wants us to be dedicated to him. So what's the difference. We are entering marriage covenant with his son. Before that, Israel was in a marriage covenant with the Father.

So let us look at this from a perspective of a marriage.

Is it possible for a wife to be completely obedient to her loving husband, yet not be dedicated to him, only doing what he asks, but having no heart for him?

In a raw or more strict meaning, Righteousness is as Yᵊsʰûʷəʰ related unto John at his Baptism, γαρ πρεπον for the Assigning of an Appropriate Reason, έστιν is ημίν to us πληρωσαι πασαν the entire fulfillment of δικαιοσύνην Righteousness.

In short, Righteousness is an Appropriate Justification, which is juxtaposed by Wickedness, an Inappropriate Justification.

Dedicated, and Dedication are fair terms to reflect that which is Holy, the Hawaiian Hebrew render קודש as (that which is) Special, emphasizing (the placing) a Difference between one thing and another.

Thus if we use Marriage as an example, Righteousness would pertain to ones Reason for being in a Marriage, and all of the Reasons why one does (or refrains from doing) something in a Marriage.

Whereas Holy would be the Institution of a Marriage [covenant union between two entities], as such Commitment, and Dedication play Exclusive roles in the maintenance of the relationship;

And though Faith pertains unto the Way one inclines, Holy adds to Faith a Particular or Specific Way, as opposed to any kind of Way, and Righteousness applies to the underlying Reasons for the [Holy] Particular [Faith] Way one inclines.

In a sinful world, these attributes are primarily for arresting the Options of Free Will [a Cloak for Self Will], and Self Righteousness.

Though I can drive a nail into a piece of wood with a paint brush, and paint a building with a hammer, these tools are Set Apart to achieve a Desired result, thus just because One Can Do, does not make it Appropriate to Do.