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How are those evidences? Scientology meetings aren't evidence for scientology, and neither is L. Ron Hubbard's book.

I know very little of Scientology so your post's analogy is lost on me. But I have read the four canonical gospels and I believe them. They are very ancient. They purport to record events in the life of Jesus Christ, I believe in him too. They are evidence of the faith of Christians and of the events upon which that faith stands though the faith of Christians rests in Jesus Christ more than in events.
 
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If that's how you see yourself

If you don't understand something you just don't understand something

It is amazing how much wiser the young are than the old; so fully informed and so fully experienced as your post indicates. If an old guy doesn't understand then he just doesn't understand. So pitiable is age and experience ...
 
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It is amazing how much wiser the young are than the old; so fully informed and so fully experienced as your post indicates. If an old guy doesn't understand then he just doesn't understand. So pitiable is age and experience ...

Age has nothing to do with it. You just don't understand
 
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I reckon something got lost in the transcription from my post to yours. So I included my post. Maybe the context of the snippets will help to answer your final question. I highlighted the snippets using bold in my post. Hope it helps ...
 
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Not sure if you're serious, but I'll bite.

Yes, I've read the gospels, numerous times. Used to have much of it committed to memory. I've also read just about everything CSL ever wrote. CSL is a lay theologian, and was a professor of medieval literature, so his opinion on the gospels carries no more weight than yours or mine.

I am interested in what actual scholars do say, however, and current consensus is, the gospels are whole cloth fabrications, as is the book of Acts.
The gospels were written in third person narrative, by people who never met Jesus, in a language Jesus never spoke, and from countries Jesus never visited. Matthew and Luke copied heavily from Mark, and the author of John made up his own account. All three gospels were written about one hundred years after the supposed life of Jesus, and all four authors are anonymous.
If you timeline the four gospels, none of them line up, and there are glaring inconsistencies with real history.

There are zero contemporary sources that identify a man known as Jesus of Nazareth. In fact, his name doesn't even pop up until about 100 years later, right on time for a mythical character.
 
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sorry this is a ridiculous statement - it is evidence, if not then what?

It's an ancient collection of stories. Perhaps you could consider it evidence, but it is incredibly weak evidence if it is.

since religion is not God, but the way people acknowledge the God of the religion through ceremonies etc. If you want to actually meet God directly you won't need evidence.

Evidence for religion and evidence for divinity are not the same

But which is it direct personal encounter with, or evidence you require?

I believe in a pantheist god of nature. For me pantheism means that "divinity is inseparable from nature and that deity is immanent in nature". So I simply define divinity differently.

You forgot that evidence doesn't automatically prove something, its just what is considered within the scope being significant.

Yes, and a secondhand account of a resurrection isn't very significant.

Thor's hammer is no evidence for Thor you'll have to also conclude following your line of logic.

Correct


I agree. I don't believe in any specific pagan gods over others.
 
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I reckon something got lost in the transcription from my post to yours. So I included my post. Maybe the context of the snippets will help to answer your final question. I highlighted the snippets using bold in my post. Hope it helps ...

I copied the parts that I responded to.
 
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Have you ever met Jesus ? If so, what was it like meeting Him ? Can you describe the details ? I appreciate the details.
 
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Have you ever met Jesus ? If so, what was it like meeting Him ? Can you describe the details ? I appreciate the details.

Is your question that coups de gras that will end my religious suffering? A mercy blow to religious thinking by means of what, exactly?

No, I've never met Jesus. Not face to face, nor in a vision, nor in a dream. Did you think that faith in Jesus Christ rests on meeting him? Oh never mind, I doubt anybody would seriously entertain such a notion.
 
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I copied the parts that I responded to.

Yes, that was obvious. Did you deal with the other parts too? Were they considered as context? I suppose it doesn't matter really.

The video clip seems to be holding its own as this discussion advances. Posts are appearing that reflect the statements of cartoon-richard-dawkins very well indeed.
 
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Yes, that was obvious. Did you deal with the other parts too?

Those were the parts where you were saying what you believed.

Were they considered as context? I suppose it doesn't matter really.

Yes of course, what exactly are you getting at?

Posts are appearing that reflect the statements of cartoon-richard-dawkins very well indeed.

Have any examples? None of mine, right?

I certainly hope I haven't been condescending
 
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Is your question that coups de gras that will end my religious suffering? A mercy blow to religious thinking by means of what, exactly?
I have no idea what you're getting at here. If you're projecting it's lost on me.

No, I've never met Jesus. Not face to face, nor in a vision, nor in a dream. Did you think that faith in Jesus Christ rests on meeting him? Oh never mind, I doubt anybody would seriously entertain such a notion.
If He is alive, I would think it reasonable to expect it possible to meet Him. It was a simple question. If you are a serious fan of Will Smith, I may ask you, "Have you ever met Will Smith ? I see you are a serious fan."

That's too bad you've never met Him. Why wouldn't anybody entertain such a notion ? Lot's of people have claimed to meet Jesus in various ways and believe He is alive.
 
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