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How are those evidences? Scientology meetings aren't evidence for scientology, and neither is L. Ron Hubbard's book.
Yes, we are obviously too stupid to understand; like the cartoon Richard Dawkins says.
If that's how you see yourself
If you don't understand something you just don't understand something
I know very little of Scientology so your post's analogy is lost on me.
They are very ancient.
and of the events upon which that faith stands
It is amazing how much wiser the young are than the old; so fully informed and so fully experienced as your post indicates. If an old guy doesn't understand then he just doesn't understand. So pitiable is age and experience ...
Age has nothing to do with it. You just don't understand
I know very little of Scientology so your post's analogy is lost on me. But I have read the four canonical gospels and I believe them. They are very ancient. They purport to record events in the life of Jesus Christ, I believe in him too. They are evidence of the faith of Christians and of the events upon which that faith stands though the faith of Christians rests in Jesus Christ more than in events.
My point was that people practicing a religion or the existence of the religion's texts isn't evidence for the religion.I know very little of Scientology so your post's analogy is lost on me.
There are several other ancient religious texts, so I don't really see the relevance of "ancientness".... They are very ancient.
in what way?.... and of the events upon which that faith stands...
You've read the four Gospels?
Which ancient myths have you also read?
Because I have heard this before and I'd like to know how long those who say it have been students in literary criticism and what styles of literature they have studied. Its only that a foremost literary critic of the twentieth century CS Lewis disagreed and I want to know whether whether his comments for instance on modern biblical scholarship have been mistaken. How long have you been chair of literary criticism in a major centre of learning or university? But in any case thats maybe asking a bit much - and as Lewis said
"I only want to point out that this [whether the miraculous occurs] is a purely philosophical question. Scholars as scholars speak on it with no more authority than anyone else. The canon "If miraculous, unhistorical" is one they bring to their study of the texts, not one they have learned from it. If one is speaking of authority, the united authority of all the Biblical critics in the world counts for nothing. On this they speak simply as men; men obviously influenced by, and perhaps insufficiently critical of, the spirit of the age they grew up in." CS Lewis - Fernseed and Elephants.
"...a suspicion may occur that supernaturalism first arose from reading into the universe the structure of monarchial societies. But then of course it may with equal reason be suspected that naturalism has arisen from reading into it the structure of modern democracies. The two suspicions thus cancel out and give us no help in deciding which theory is more likely to be true." CS Lewis - Miracles: a preliminary study
"the sanity of the world was restored and the soul of man offered salvation by something which did indeed satisfy the two warring tendencies of the past; which had never been satisfied in full and most certainly never satisfied together. It met the mythological search for romance by being a story and the philosophical search for truth by being a true story." GK Chesterton.
John's Gospel is not completely different, but it would hardly be completely identical because for one thing though it seems trivial to say it John wasn't Matthew, Mark or Luke.
sorry this is a ridiculous statement - it is evidence, if not then what?
since religion is not God, but the way people acknowledge the God of the religion through ceremonies etc. If you want to actually meet God directly you won't need evidence.
But which is it direct personal encounter with, or evidence you require?
You forgot that evidence doesn't automatically prove something, its just what is considered within the scope being significant.
Thor's hammer is no evidence for Thor you'll have to also conclude following your line of logic.
Its just some artifact that you know little of where it came from and has been attributed to some mythological figure in literature known as Thor, whom no one has ever set eyes on, and obviously if he existed was pretty stupid to be separated from his hammer which obviously was made of granite and so aerodynamic it helped him fly!
I reckon something got lost in the transcription from my post to yours. So I included my post. Maybe the context of the snippets will help to answer your final question. I highlighted the snippets using bold in my post. Hope it helps ...
Have you ever met Jesus ? If so, what was it like meeting Him ? Can you describe the details ? I appreciate the details.I know very little of Scientology so your post's analogy is lost on me. But I have read the four canonical gospels and I believe them. They are very ancient. They purport to record events in the life of Jesus Christ, I believe in him too. They are evidence of the faith of Christians and of the events upon which that faith stands though the faith of Christians rests in Jesus Christ more than in events.
Have you ever met Jesus ? If so, what was it like meeting Him ? Can you describe the details ? I appreciate the details.
I copied the parts that I responded to.
Yes, that was obvious. Did you deal with the other parts too?
Were they considered as context? I suppose it doesn't matter really.
Posts are appearing that reflect the statements of cartoon-richard-dawkins very well indeed.
I have no idea what you're getting at here. If you're projecting it's lost on me.Is your question that coups de gras that will end my religious suffering? A mercy blow to religious thinking by means of what, exactly?
If He is alive, I would think it reasonable to expect it possible to meet Him. It was a simple question. If you are a serious fan of Will Smith, I may ask you, "Have you ever met Will Smith ? I see you are a serious fan."No, I've never met Jesus. Not face to face, nor in a vision, nor in a dream. Did you think that faith in Jesus Christ rests on meeting him? Oh never mind, I doubt anybody would seriously entertain such a notion.
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