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American law was founded on Roman legal principles, combined with Enlightenment Era philosophy. True, John Locke believed in some sort of God, but his thoughts followed his own direction. There is astonishingly little that is Christian in the foundational principles of America.
eudaimonia,
Mark
Correct.
Many of the framers, were deists and were not christians. Thomas Jefferson went to the point of cutting out all of the miracles attributed to Jesus in his bible, because he knew they were made up by man.
Dawkins appears to be clever but in reality knows nothing of what he is talking about concerning religion.
What do you think he gets wrong about religion?
eudaimonia,
Mark
Dawkins appears to be clever but in reality knows nothing of what he is talking about concerning religion. I agree that Young Earth creationism is rather dumb, but most Christians know that anyway.
Actually, murder is not the correct word. He said to kill them. For example, this is in Deuteronomy 7:
When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nationsthe Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you 2 and when the Lord your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally.[a] Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy. 3 Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons, 4 for they will turn your children away from following me to serve other gods, and the Lords anger will burn against you and will quickly destroy you. 5 This is what you are to do to them: Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones, cut down their Asherah poles and burn their idols in the fire. 6 For you are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lord your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.
The enemies of God were considered unclean and had to be driven from the land. This was an admonition against taking prisoners or intermingling with the enemy. Beyond that, God warned about taking their pagan religions to heart and worshipping their false gods.
Vegetation did preceed the sun and stars, a little something called magic
I had a discussion with someone recently who was making the tired old claim that "America is a Christian Nation", with a spin I'd not encountered before... the declaration of independence was dated with "year of our lord", thus implying belief in Jesus Christ, thus the "under God" bit was obviously a reference to the Trinity, thus "Christian nation". I agreed that use of a culture wide dating convention certainly made a compelling argument as to the religious beliefs of the founders, just as, clearly, their use of the names of the week Tuesday through to Friday showed that during the work week, the founding fathers were followers of Germano-Norse paganism, and Graeco-Roman on Saturdays. Strangely, the person I was having this discussion with has not yet replied. I assume he can't operate a computer because he's drunk on mead, as the traditional observance of Thor's Day requires.Correct.
Many of the framers, were deists and were not christians. Thomas Jefferson went to the point of cutting out all of the miracles attributed to Jesus in his bible, because he knew they were made up by man.
He BELIEVED, you mean. Not being a god himself and not having witnessed them, he could only offer his opinion. He DID believe in God as the Creator. The Declaration of Independence posits that all human rights come from God; THEIR CREATOR. Like most of the founders, religious freedom was very important; including to freedom to reject any or all of it. His personal concept of God was his own. On his own memorial are his words, "I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every from of tyranny over the mind of man." He believed in God. He was not, however, a Christian. He did not believe that Jesus was his savior, and apparently rejected the resurrection as well.Thomas Jefferson went to the point of cutting out all of the miracles attributed to Jesus in his bible, because he knew they were made up by man.
In what way? Please be more specific.His knowledge of theology is appalling.
He BELIEVED, you mean. Not being a god himself and not having witnessed them, he could only offer his opinion.
He DID believe in God as the Creator.
The Declaration of Independence posits that all human rights come from God; THEIR CREATOR. Like most of the founders, religious freedom was very important; including to freedom to reject any or all of it.
So he did believe in a different god than you do.His personal concept of God was his own. On his own memorial are his words, "I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every from of tyranny over the mind of man." He believed in God. He was not, however, a Christian. He did not believe that Jesus was his savior, and apparently rejected the resurrection as well.
Same God. He rejected Christ. Modern Judaism also rejects the divinity of Christ, but they worship the same God.
No.Did I say he was Jewish
I don't know. Why don't we list the similarities and see how they compare. I'll start the list for you:Do not Christians and Jews worship the same God?
Well, so far 50% of your list is false.[/color]No.
I don't know. Why don't we list the similarities and see how they compare. I'll start the list for you:
- Both go by the name of "God"
- No evidence for their existence other than as characters in books
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