RI bishop asked Kennedy in 2007 to avoid Communion

[HandmaidenOfGod]

A month of harsh words between Rep. Patrick Kennedy and a strident critic, Roman Catholic Bishop Thomas Tobin, escalated Sunday when the bishop acknowledged asking Kennedy not to receive Holy Communion because of the Democratic lawmaker's support for abortion rights.

RI bishop asked Kennedy in 2007 to avoid Communion - Yahoo! News

I disagree with Cuomo's quote at the end:

"If you're required (by the church) to make everybody follow your Catholic role, then nobody would vote for Catholics because it's clear that when you get the authority, you're going to be guided by your faith," the former governor told the AP

Aren't you supposed to be guided by your faith?

I give credit to the RI Bishop for taking a stand.

What do you think?

 

[Steve "Sonic" Smith]

RI bishop asked Kennedy in 2007 to avoid Communion - Yahoo! News

I disagree with Cuomo's quote at the end:



Aren't you supposed to be guided by your faith?

I give credit to the RI Bishop for taking a stand.

What do you think?

1) Kennedy wasn't "asked"
2) I agree with Cuomo, the appearance that a politian will serve an group other than the people who put him in office IS going to make it harder to get elected as a Catholic
3) One more word on the subject: blowback.

its coming ....

 

[AMDG]

Aren't you supposed to be guided by your faith?

I agree. A person cannot be separated from his Faith--no matter how anyone tries to convince you differently. A person's Faith is precisely what forms his character. It is what makes a person who he is.

 

[Michie]

Cong. Patrick J. Kennedy (D-RI) revealed to a reporter today that his ordinary, Bishop Thomas J. Tobin of Providence, had instructed him not to present himself to receive the Eucharist.

The reporter, naturally, ran with a story that placed Bishop Tobin's actions in the context of the health care debate and Kennedy's remark of a month ago that the Catholic bishops were not "pro-life" because of their opposition to federal funding of abortion.

I am sure I'm not the only one still trying to figure out how Kennedy's mind produced that accusation -- perhaps it works like Obama's, proceeding from the first principles of the culture of death. (Click here for Bishop Tobin's forceful, and historic, response to Kennedy.)

The problem with today's story is that Cong. Kennedy failed to add the instruction that came from Bishop Tobin in the form of a letter written in February, 2007 and, thus, had nothing to do with the health care debate.

Continued- http://insidecatholic.com/Joomla/index.php?option=com_myblog&show=Cong.-Kennedy-Told-Not-to-Receive-Communion-in-2007.html&Itemid=127

 

[Michie]

On Tobin and Kennedy, the question isn't 'why' but 'why now'? NCR Today

 

[EDB]

Thanks Michie, I just discovered this instruction was in a PRIVATE letter from 2007. It seems Mr. Kennedy has got an agenda - shocking eh! LOL!

 

[Michie]

Yeah, he brings it up now. But as eastcoast said in his thread he started yesterday, Patrick Kensedy has a rep for being a bully. Now he's trying to make the Bishop look like a bully. But he is just coming out looking like a liar. You cannot tout faith you don't follow.

Just another Kennedy throwing a fit out of his sense of entitlement.

 

[EDB]

Well his family is used to the Boston Archdiocese, which has overlooked the antics of the Kennedy's for generations! Well, the list of people to pray for never ends eh?

 

[Michie]

Well his family is used to the Boston Archdiocese, which has overlooked the antics of the Kennedy's for generations! Well, the list of people to pray for never ends eh?

No it doesn't.

As I said in eastcoast's thread, part of the blame lies with the Church imo.

 

[Michie]

*Permission to post full text*

By Deacon Keith Fournier

11/23/2009

Catholic Online (www.catholic.org)

'I am disappointed and really surprised that Congressman Patrick Kennedy has chosen to reopen the public discussion about his practice of the faith'.



Bishop Tobin to Patrick Kennedy: 'I am writing to you personally and confidentially as a pastor addressing a member of his flock … At the present time I have no need or intention to make this a public issue'.

PROVIDENCE, RI (Catholic Online) -

Senator Patrick Kennedy, whose open defiance over the teaching of the Catholic Church concerning the inviolable dignity of every human life has resulted in a longstanding dialogue with his Bishop, reopened the public debate in an odd interview on Sunday. He gave a telephone interview to John E. Mulligan of the Providence Journal in which he told the reporter “...The bishop instructed me not to take Communion and said that he has instructed the diocesan priests not to give me Communion.”

The telephone interview led to a Journal article entitled "Kennedy: Barred from Communion" which was picked up by news sources nationally. The interview made it appear that the Congressman was just recently instructed that his open defiance concerning the teaching of the Church was an impediment to his receiving communion because it demonstrated that he was not in full communion with the teaching office, the Magisterium of the Church.

In fact, the direction which the Congressman referred to appeared in a letter sent to him by his Bishop back on February 21, 2007. Since Congressman Kennedy opened this ongoing pastoral concern up to public scrutiny once again through this interview, his Bishop, Thomas Tobin, had to release the following statement of clarification to ABC News in order to clarify the sequence of events:

Statement of Bishop Tobin

"I am disappointed and really surprised that Congressman Patrick Kennedy has chosen to reopen the public discussion about his practice of the faith and his reception of Holy Communion. This comes almost two weeks after the Congressman indicated to local media that he would no longer comment publicly on his faith or his relationship with the Catholic Church. The Congressman's public comments require me to reply.

On February 21, 2007, I wrote to Congressman Kennedy stating: "In light of the Church's clear teaching, and your consistent actions, therefore, I believe it is inappropriate for you to be receiving Holy Communion and I now ask respectfully that you refrain from doing so." My request came in light of the new statement of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops that said, "If a Catholic in his or her personal or professional life were knowingly and obstinately to repudiate her definite teachings on moral issues, he or she would seriously diminish his or her communion with the Church. Reception of Holy Communion in such a situation would not accord with the nature of the Eucharistic celebration, so that he or she should refrain." (Happy Are Those Who Are Called to His Supper, December, 2006)

In the same letter I wrote to Congressman Kennedy, "I am writing to you personally and confidentially as a pastor addressing a member of his flock … At the present time I have no need or intention to make this a public issue." I also indicated, "I am available to discuss this matter with you in person at any mutually convenient time and place. I would welcome the opportunity to do so."

On February 28, 2007, the Congressman responded to me, "I have the utmost respect for the work you do on behalf of the Catholic community in Rhode Island. . . I understand your pastoral advice was confidential in nature and given with the best intentions for my personal spiritual welfare."

I am disappointed that the Congressman would make public my pastoral and confidential request of nearly three years ago that sought to provide solely for his spiritual well-being.

I have no desire to continue the discussion of Congressman Kennedy's spiritual life in public. At the same time, I will absolutely respond publicly and strongly whenever he attacks the Catholic Church, misrepresents the teachings of the Church, or issues inaccurate statements about my pastoral ministry.

As I wrote to the Congressman in February of 2007, and repeated in my public letter earlier this month, I am willing and even anxious to meet with him, to discuss these matters. My door remains open. However, it should be absolutely clear the Congressman himself has once again chosen to make this discussion a matter of public record.

In the meantime, I will continue to pray -- sincerely and fervently -- for his conversion and repentance, and for his personal and spiritual well-being. I wish him well."

http://www.catholic.org/politics/story.php?id=34904

 

[Epiphanygirl]

Taking on a Bishop who is faithful to the teachings of our faith......not such a good idea.....unless of course one is arrogant enough to think they know better.
I'm sorry, but the Kennedy family does not speak or represent the Church....I don't have a clue why we continue to put them up in such high regard...

 

[Michie]

Taking on a Bishop who is faithful to the teachings of our faith......not such a good idea.....unless of course one is arrogant enough to think they know better.
I'm sorry, but the Kennedy family does not speak or represent the Church....I don't have a clue why we continue to put them up in such high regard...

I think a lot of people look at them as American Royalty. I have no illusions when it comes to most of the Kennedys.

 

[Epiphanygirl]

I think a lot of people look at them as American Royalty. I have no illusions when it comes to most of the Kennedys.

pfft....that's why this county's in the toilet.........people know more about celeb's and gossip, but they can't even tell you who the speaker of the house is.......go figure.......

 

[Michie]

pfft....that's why this county's in the toilet.........people know more about celeb's and gossip, but they can't even tell you who the speaker of the house is.......go figure.......

So true!

I can't believe some of the items that are reported as news.

It's crazy.