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<blockquote data-quote="Injured Soldier" data-source="post: 17464442" data-attributes="member: 21305"><p>I agree with your basic knowledge of what good news and Messiah meant to the Romans and Jews respectively, but I disagree that Jesus came to bring political revolution. Jesus used those terms for the same reason he told parables to his disciples: so those who had their own agenda would misunderstand him (which they did), and as earthly examples of his heavenly glory. So yes, they are revolutionary claims, and I would have told anyone so if they had asked, but that doesn't automatically translate into Jesus coming for political revolution.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I didn't say anything about obeying at all costs. But again, refusing to obey ungodly laws, conducting civil resistance and following God does not make a revolution, even a peaceful one. By all means, disobey the government where it goes against God, but not as men and women who do so to seize the reins of power. If it is dragged to prison or your death to follow God and persue justice in defiance of the state, go for it, I will do it with you all the way. If anyone wants to revolt against the government, even with the high aim of putting in place Christian laws, I'll be no part of it willingly as it is a futile exercise. All those men you listed, none were revolutionaries in the political sense.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Constantinople wasn't built until over 250 years after Paul wrote Romans 13, I asked for an example that Paul was talking about. Surely he didn't think when he wrote it "Ha, my fell Christians will misinterpret this passage for 250 years until Constantinople is built, and still many years after that before it formally breaks off to form the Byzantine Empire, which they will call the Eastern Roman Empire until the 17th century". Read over what I said again, I asked for naming a Christian government Paul was talking about when he wrote Romans, not particular cases in history since then.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Injured Soldier, post: 17464442, member: 21305"] I agree with your basic knowledge of what good news and Messiah meant to the Romans and Jews respectively, but I disagree that Jesus came to bring political revolution. Jesus used those terms for the same reason he told parables to his disciples: so those who had their own agenda would misunderstand him (which they did), and as earthly examples of his heavenly glory. So yes, they are revolutionary claims, and I would have told anyone so if they had asked, but that doesn't automatically translate into Jesus coming for political revolution. I didn't say anything about obeying at all costs. But again, refusing to obey ungodly laws, conducting civil resistance and following God does not make a revolution, even a peaceful one. By all means, disobey the government where it goes against God, but not as men and women who do so to seize the reins of power. If it is dragged to prison or your death to follow God and persue justice in defiance of the state, go for it, I will do it with you all the way. If anyone wants to revolt against the government, even with the high aim of putting in place Christian laws, I'll be no part of it willingly as it is a futile exercise. All those men you listed, none were revolutionaries in the political sense. Constantinople wasn't built until over 250 years after Paul wrote Romans 13, I asked for an example that Paul was talking about. Surely he didn't think when he wrote it "Ha, my fell Christians will misinterpret this passage for 250 years until Constantinople is built, and still many years after that before it formally breaks off to form the Byzantine Empire, which they will call the Eastern Roman Empire until the 17th century". Read over what I said again, I asked for naming a Christian government Paul was talking about when he wrote Romans, not particular cases in history since then. [/QUOTE]
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