Revolution anyone?

[The Seb]

Do you agree with the current system of goverment or do you think its time for a revolution...

 

[MadeInOz]

Vive Le Somethingorother...

I know why johnny howard banned guns! So we couldn't shoot him, and he can get away with all this rubbish. Or something.

 

[The Bad Templar]

The system isn't perfect, but the alternatives are too frightening to contemplate.

Just ask people who have escaped from Islamic theocracies or corrupt African republics whether Australia needs a revolution to overthrow it's democratic system and you might find your answer.

 

[tgg]

It doesn't matter as to whom gets voted in my young comrade - life will still go on the way it does.

Read Ecclesiastes 5:8 "Don't be surprised when you see that the government oppresses the poor and denies them justice and rights. Every official is protected by the one over him, and both are proptected by still higher officials."

Ecclesiastes 10: 5 "Here is an inuustice I have seen in the world - an injustice caused by rulers. Stupid people are given positions of authority whilst rich men are ignored. I have seen slaves on horseback while noblemen go on foot like slaves".

Hope this answers your question.


tgg

 

[KristianJ]

Why bother with revolution? Remember the words of Paul in the latter chapters of Romans - it's a call to respect for all authority, a category which our various governments clearly fall into. Personally, I do not see a thing in our current government that justifies any sort of citizen-based uprising. There are far worse injustices in other nations, as The Bad Templar pointed out. We're so very lucky in comparison.

 

[Injured Soldier]

The NT doesn't justify revolution at all (Romans 13 KristianJ mentioned), but at the same time it can cast doubt on Christian politicians and voting too. That is the most misused verse in the Bible, I've even heard American Christians use it to justify their patriotism and support of government. How ironic.

 

[tgg]

There are a few things that Australians should be angry with the government about, such as Voluntary student unionism, the treatment of refugees in detention centres and the treatment of young people and aborigines by the police.


tgg

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

Do you agree with the current system of goverment or do you think its time for a revolution...

If we need a benevolent dictator - I hear that Lee Kwan Yew is free.....

 

[Desert_pea]

Vive Le Somethingorother...

I know why johnny howard banned guns! So we couldn't shoot him, and he can get away with all this rubbish. Or something.

My thoughts exactly

 

[The Bad Templar]

There are a few things that Australians should be angry with the government about, such as Voluntary student unionism

I'm disappointed that the government didn't abolish compulsory student unionism when I was at uni. It was a complete waste of money and an infringement on my civil rights. I would gladly forgo the useless services of the student union.

There are a few things that Australians should be angry with the government about...treatment of young people and aborigines by the police

This is an issue for state governments...which are all A.L.P. shock horror.

Young offenders have too much lee-way and the police are too hamstrung to deal with them effectively.

 

[wromemp]

Do you agree with the current system of goverment or do you think its time for a revolution...

I like to know what is the actual australian political way.........
S.Paul in Romans was talking about a christian government because
a christian government only protects christian laws with the
physical..power.
I think it's the time for a great christian alleance.............

 

[tgg]

I for one would not like the idea of a Christian theocracy.

You only have to look at the damage that Jerry Falwell, Ralph Ovadal, Fred Phelps and Pat Robertson have done to America.

If these guys ruled the world we would see homosexuals being burned at the stake or thrown into jail, naturists having their children taken away from them and screamed at in public, as well as mandatory abortions for women who want to have more than two children.


tgg

 

[something from the fridge]

I know why johnny howard banned guns! So we couldn't shoot him, and he can get away with all this rubbish. Or something.

little did he realise how it will hit him harder. now all the people with guns will take longer to reload and as a result his death will be slower and more painful.

 

[Injured Soldier]

I like to know what is the actual australian political way.........

What do you mean? How politics is practiced here, or how our system is set up?

S.Paul in Romans was talking about a christian government because
a christian government only protects christian laws with the
physical..power.

But he wasn't. He made no specifications about whether a government could lose it's mandate to wield the sword from God, or what type of government it was. No government at the time was Christian: whether it be Rome, the cities of the Decapolis, the Parthians or the Nabateans.

I think it's the time for a great christian alleance.............

I used to work for a Christian politician and I have a degree in history and politics, so I am somewhat qualified to comment. I would NOT recommend that any Christian go into politics, God made you for bigger things. But I do agree in an alliance, just not a political one. It's time we acted like a loving family, Roman Catholic, Protestant and Orthodox alike.

 

[wromemp]

What do you mean? How politics is practiced here, or how our system is set up?

I don't know what's the australian government today.
I know that in some (ex)christian nations there is no choice for christians.

 

[wromemp]

But he wasn't. He made no specifications about whether a government could lose it's mandate to wield the sword from God, or what type of government it was. No government at the time was Christian: whether it be Rome, the cities of the Decapolis, the Parthians or the Nabateans.

I have a different interpretation........
It talks about some little local government..that wanted to defend their internal christianity with the blade...
S.Paul says "if possible" (romans 12, 18)that is the same Jesus words before his death(Matthew 26, 39).
IT'S NOT POSSIBLE...............

 

[Injured Soldier]

It talks about some little local government..that wanted to defend their internal christianity with the blade...
S.Paul says "if possible" (romans 12, 18)that is the same Jesus words before his death(Matthew 26, 39).
IT'S NOT POSSIBLE...............

If you take that interpretation, which local authority was Paul talking about? The church? How can it levy taxes?

 

[wromemp]

If you take that interpretation, which local authority was Paul talking about? The church? How can it levy taxes?

The byzantine empire was the first great christian government.
It's a proof.

 

[inquisitor_11]

Unfortuently it werent so great

However, thats not to say that christians should shy away from social and political when needed to help ensure a just and fair society. IMO we have a very clear mandate to prepare the way for God's kingdom. Which is why I think that the churches in Australia will have a much more important (spiritually motivated) social and political role to play. Once the Howard government finishes neutering the unions, there will be few non-government institutions that can organise disparite people across society like a Christ centered, kingdom concerned church can, has and should do.

 

[Ozbeliever]

Why bother with revolution? Remember the words of Paul in the latter chapters of Romans - it's a call to respect for all authority, a category which our various governments clearly fall into. Personally, I do not see a thing in our current government that justifies any sort of citizen-based uprising. There are far worse injustices in other nations, as The Bad Templar pointed out. We're so very lucky in comparison.

I wholeheartedly agree with KristianJ. The words of Paul are very clear in Romans 13.
"Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgement on them themselves."

Let us not forget, living in a democracy, this was the government chosen by the greatest majority. The LORD is sovereign in all things and we are called to be faithful to Him.

ps - with respect to the "treatment of young people and aboriginals by Police" - being a member of the Police force in NSW as well as a Christian (possibly almost an impossibility???? ) I can honestly say that til I became a member, I had never before realised how many rights these two groups of our society actually have. They are amongst the most protected in society when it comes to prosecution or even being arrested for offences they have actually committed.