reversing the reformation

[erin74]

Well I've been spending some time in the anglican section lately. I did in the past, but found there were just so many anglocatholics that it was hard to know where to start. Well there are a few evangelicals in there now, which is great, but it really saddens me to hear some of the things said by the anglocatholics. There are some people who are really keen to see the reformation reversed, and for the anglican church to reunite with what they call the 'true church'. ++ staff edit++

There was recently a thread on 'when the boat sinks will you go to rome or constantinople'. Frankly I'll be heading for Africa myself. Actually I can see african oversight coming into fruition rather soon if you ask me. They have called on repentence from those who ordained a homosexual man or else they will split. I know that our diocese would be likely to follow, assuming Sydney were to, which I suspect they would.

I find it very sad to see the work and sacrifice made by the reformers scorned like this. Someone even said they thought the reformers wouldn't mind their practices - and they were sure that they would have allowed for some differences in worship style.... like theirs which was decidedly catholic in nature.

Please pray for those of us who are evangelical in this section that we may be wise, gentle and true to the word. Also pray for our denomination, that the evangelicals may stand firm against the liberal and anglocatholic members of our denomination, and that those who lead us will know when to call it quits and break free if the denomination chooses to condone ungodly and unbiblical practices.

 

[rnmomof7]

For mod review

 

[rnmomof7]

opened with an edit

 

[edie19]

. . . Please pray for those of us who are evangelical in this section that we may be wise, gentle and true to the word. Also pray for our denomination, that the evangelicals may stand firm against the liberal and anglocatholic members of our denomination, and that those who lead us will know when to call it quits and break free if the denomination chooses to condone ungodly and unbiblical practices.

Erin - I want to be sure I'm correct here, but aren't Anglican and Church of England essentially synonyms?

If so - I'd be leaning towards Africa also. I've heard some great things about some of the CoE bishops who are from Africa. After all, the next head of the church is an agnostic (Prince Charles). Seems rather bizarre to me that the church constitution allows for that.

 

[erin74]

sorry for any offence caused. I was just frustrated with things going on in my diocese and didn't post in a sensitive manner.

I guess I'll post article 19 of the 39 articles

19. The church
The visible church of Christ is a congregation of believers in which the pure Word of God is preached and in which the sacraments are rightly administered according to Christ's command in all those matters that are necessary for proper administration. As the churches of
Jerusalem, Antioch and Alexandria have erred, so also the church of Rome has erred, not only in their practice and forms of worship but also in matters of faith.


This is in the doctrinal statement of my denomination. I have since come to understand that ministers within my diocese don't see it as being necessary to believe the doctrinal statement of the denomination to which they belong. They say they just have to attest to it's being part of the history of the church.

I still don't understand why they bother - why be part of a denomination with this in your doctrinal statement and instead work actively against it?

 

[erin74]

Yeah - they are the same and episcopalean (sp???). Not sure why all the names, but all kinda linked in some way.

The archbishop of sydney supports the african bishops, and I believe our bishop does also.

I don't think the church constitution does allow for that, but it seems that it is not necesary to believe the church constitution, just to admit it is part of the churches history. Anyone of course could do that - you don't even have to be christian to do that!

 

[StAnselm]

The archbishop of sydney supports the african bishops, and I believe our bishop does also.

Do I remember you saying that you're in the diocese of Armadale?

 

[erin74]

Yes I am - we are generally in line with the Sydney diocese. I believe I have heard it said that our diocese will follow along with Sydney.... I guess I can't be sure this came from the bishop, but we do have ties with Africa already, so I think it did.

 

[Naomi4Christ]

Erin - I want to be sure I'm correct here, but aren't Anglican and Church of England essentially synonyms?

If so - I'd be leaning towards Africa also. I've heard some great things about some of the CoE bishops who are from Africa. After all, the next head of the church is an agnostic (Prince Charles). Seems rather bizarre to me that the church constitution allows for that.

Prince Charles is agnostic?

 

[Cajun Huguenot]

I know that African and Asian bishops have ordained bishops here in the USA. I am not part of the Anglican Communion so I've been watching things from the outside. It's exciting to see that there are still solid folks in the ECUSA who are working to bring the denomination back from apostasy.

I fear another schism when the ECUSA is booted from the Anglican Communion. But there are off shoot churches like the REC (Reformed Episcopal Church) and the APA (Anglican Provence of America) that are in the process of merging.

It's interesting to watch.

Kenith

 

[FivePointCalvinist]

The church I belong to is a member of a renegade group within the Diocese of New Westminster that protests the liberal antics of our bishop, Michael Ingham. We're called the Anglican Communion in New Westminster (ACiNW).

Move your mouse over my faith icon.

 

[erin74]

is that the one with David Short? And now the Mosers?

 

[FivePointCalvinist]

is that the one with David Short? And now the Mosers?

YES!!! David is our rector, and Ken and Julie are in charge of youth ministry! How do you know them?

 

[CCWoody]

The church I belong to is a member of a renegade group within the Diocese of New Westminster that protests the liberal antics of our bishop, Michael Ingham. We're called the Anglican Communion in New Westminster (ACiNW).

Move your mouse over my faith icon.

As a former Anglican myself (I am a several generation born Episcopalian and trace my history to the Anglican church in England - and most likely interestingly enough to my current Presbyterian church as I have a Scottish line in my blood) it is nice to see people who aren't embarrassed by the 39 Articles of Religion as they appear in my copy of the 1662 book of common prayer.

Not that I agree with the King being the head of the church, but it is nice to see the core of the gospel being embraced by those who call themselves Anglican.

 

[erin74]

YES!!! David is our rector, and Ken and Julie are in charge of youth ministry! How do you know them?

I have met Ken Moser a few times. He has done a lot in youth training in the Sydney diocese. One of our ministers was a good friend of his and has worked closely with them both. I love his book on Youth Evangelism by the way - it has revolutionised the way dh and I think about evangelism.

I have never met David, but his dad worked in our area of the diocese.... I think. I know of David's work within Sydney too. He is well known in the diocese for his work in Canada.

We had another friend go over to Canada and I can't for the life of me remember where to. I had a feeling it was either your church or another one that is linked. I think her hubby was working in the church. Her name is Sarah - it was Buchanan, but I don't know her married name. She had a baby within the last few years. I know her sister and brother a little better, and it's been a while since I have seen them too. How's that for vague.