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<blockquote data-quote="TheBear" data-source="post: 216992" data-attributes="member: 254"><p>Had Jesus ever said, "You heard it said that armies were built to protect the nations, but I say dismantle all armies"? No.</p><p></p><p>Isaiah 1:17</p><p></p><p><strong>17 Learn to do good; Seek justice, Rebuke the oppressor; Defend the fatherless, Plead for the widow.</strong></p><p></p><p>Have these principles been overturned by Jesus, as well? No.</p><p></p><p>I think you take this a little out of context. Again, the teachings of Christ, are geared towards the individual, not nations, until we get into Revelations. You seem to be overlooking this point. Also, Jesus said, <em>"Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill."</em></p><p></p><p></p><p>Revelations 2:23-27</p><p></p><p><strong>23 I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works. 24 Now to you I say, and to the rest in Thyatira, as many as do not have this doctrine, who have not known the depths of Satan, as they say, I will put on you no other burden. 25 But hold fast what you have till I come. 26 And he who overcomes, and keeps My works until the end, to him I will give power over the nations-- 27 'He shall rule them with a rod of iron; they shall be dashed to pieces like the potter's vessels'-- as I also have received from My Father;</strong> </p><p></p><p>I wonder what is being described here....hmmm....'rule them with a rod of iron'....'they shall be dashed to pieces like a potter's vessel'. What could possibly 'dash to pieces like the potter's vessel', a man or town? </p><p></p><p>Show me where Jesus teaches that nations should dismantle their armies, Terry. You can't, because He doesn't. About the only reference Jesus makes to armies, other than in Revelations, is in Luke, where He discribes Israel being so outnumbered and surrounded by the Gentile armies, that He suggests that the Israelties flee. He is describing the beginning of the end.</p><p></p><p>As far as the police having guns, your response is a little elusive. Let me rephrase the question. Is it right, in the eyes of God, that police departments have guns?</p><p></p><p>John</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TheBear, post: 216992, member: 254"] Had Jesus ever said, "You heard it said that armies were built to protect the nations, but I say dismantle all armies"? No. Isaiah 1:17 [b]17 Learn to do good; Seek justice, Rebuke the oppressor; Defend the fatherless, Plead for the widow.[/b] Have these principles been overturned by Jesus, as well? No. I think you take this a little out of context. Again, the teachings of Christ, are geared towards the individual, not nations, until we get into Revelations. You seem to be overlooking this point. Also, Jesus said, [i]"Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill."[/i] Revelations 2:23-27 [b]23 I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works. 24 Now to you I say, and to the rest in Thyatira, as many as do not have this doctrine, who have not known the depths of Satan, as they say, I will put on you no other burden. 25 But hold fast what you have till I come. 26 And he who overcomes, and keeps My works until the end, to him I will give power over the nations-- 27 'He shall rule them with a rod of iron; they shall be dashed to pieces like the potter's vessels'-- as I also have received from My Father;[/b] I wonder what is being described here....hmmm....'rule them with a rod of iron'....'they shall be dashed to pieces like a potter's vessel'. What could possibly 'dash to pieces like the potter's vessel', a man or town? Show me where Jesus teaches that nations should dismantle their armies, Terry. You can't, because He doesn't. About the only reference Jesus makes to armies, other than in Revelations, is in Luke, where He discribes Israel being so outnumbered and surrounded by the Gentile armies, that He suggests that the Israelties flee. He is describing the beginning of the end. As far as the police having guns, your response is a little elusive. Let me rephrase the question. Is it right, in the eyes of God, that police departments have guns? John [/QUOTE]
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