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That's a nice appeal to emotion, but you cannot have your own children sign up for military service.
But you could encourage them to do so. No emotion, just fact, if you're so convinced, why aren't you over there?
 
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I've done my duty. I earned the right to speak my mind on issues of war.
You may have earned some credibility by doing military service, and grateful Americans thank you for that.

BUT...

All of us already have the right to speak on issues of war - and every other issue. It's called the First Amendment.

Many of us also hold sacred our DUTY to speak out against this war.
 
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Unfornately Mach, your terms of what victory is quite clouded by the reality of events on the ground. Ideology is nice, but reality should be the first and foremost consideration when assessing a situation or event. Something you, the rest of the 24 percenters, and the remaining 6 people in Bush's own staff seem to just ignore.
 
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No one said anything about your right to speak your mind.
You asked why I wasn't there. I told you why

Is it your opinion that only those whom have served have the right to speak on issues of war?
I never even hinted at that, but some who feel guilty about not serving may reach that false conclusion

All of us may have that right, but not all of us earned it
 
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Unfornately Mach, your terms of what victory
They aren't my terms

is quite clouded by the reality of events on the ground.
Actually, it's the reality that is clouded by the negavite media reporting

Ideology is nice, but reality should be the first and foremost consideration when assessing a situation or event. Something you, the rest of the 24 percenters, and the remaining 6 people in Bush's own staff seem to just ignore.
Ideology is indeed nice, sometimes. But the defeatist ideology that wants to portray the war as a failure is sorely misguided.
 
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You asked why I wasn't there. I told you why

I never even hinted at that, but some who feel guilty about not serving may reach that false conclusion

All of us may have that right, but not all of us earned it
Again - the rights in the constitution are NOT earned.

You may have served/fought for those ideals. But those actions did not EARN you the rights. They are there and afforded to all and not awarded based upon earning or not earning.
 
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Again - the rights in the constitution are NOT earned.
Sure they are. They are earned with the blood of Americans, whether you are willing to admit it or not. More importantly, they will remain secure by the blood of Americans or else the right will be lost.
 
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Sure they are. They are earned with the blood of Americans, whether you are willing to admit it or not. More importantly, they will remain secure by the blood of Americans or else the right will be lost.

Or unless Bush decides to sign them away.
 
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Look them up and get back to me
Huh?So you are not familiar with them? I would imagine if you were, you would have told me. My mistake, I assumed that since you were talking about it, you knew, sorry. I looked, but didn't see anything specific to that.
 
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That's a nice appeal to emotion, but you cannot have your own children sign up for military service.

Unless the men in charge decide that this is a real war, and enact a draft that will sign up their own children, as well other people's children,whom they are now sending for third and fourth tours.
 
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Sure they are. They are earned with the blood of Americans, whether you are willing to admit it or not. More importantly, they will remain secure by the blood of Americans or else the right will be lost.
Your opinion is noted.

However, every American citizen has their rights - not through earning - but by virtue of being a citizen.

You may have earned respect, admiration, credibility etc in military service - but, sir, you did not, nor could you ever EARN the rights afforded in the constitution.
 
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