Retiree Fights With Man Over Foul Language.

Yitzchak · Dec 16, 2004

Akasa said:
Hmm let's see, foul language vs assault. Oh yeah, let's applaud the ol coot. Don't think so.

I agree, I don't like to hear it either, but the old guy's response was NOT ok.

Assault is an ugly word and carries a connotation which doesn't belong in this situation. He grabbed his phone. He didn't walk up and punch him in the head. There is a difference between attacking a person and grabbing their phone.

Yitzchak · Dec 16, 2004

Holly3278 said:
Hero?? I think the more appropriate label would be criminal. Heros are people like the firefighters who helped to save lives on 9/11.

Heroes come in all shapes and sizes. A person doesn't have to be a firefighter to be a hero.

One of the problems in our society today is that people won't admit when they are in the wrong. This man with the cell phone should be ashamed of himself. Espeacially to be doing that in front of a child. Then to wrestle with an old man.

I think that the man with the cell phone should be the one on probabtion.

Ave Maria · Dec 16, 2004

Yitzchak said:
Heroes come in all shapes and sizes. A person doesn't have to be a firefighter to be a hero.

One of the problems in our society today is that people won't admit when they are in the wrong. This man with the cell phone should be ashamed of himself. Espeacially to be doing that in front of a child. Then to wrestle with an old man.

I think that the man with the cell phone should be the one on probabtion.

True, the man on the cell phone was being rude but the real criminal is the old man who assaulted him. He can hardly be called a hero.

FaithfulInHim · Dec 16, 2004

Whyzdom said:
Then don't post on public boards...

Not to mention I hadn't even seen this until after I replied to Jameseb.

Before you correct someone else, remember the scripture Matthew 7:3-5, "And
why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?"

Edited to add: I hope we are done with this, it's silly and childish.

Yitzchak · Dec 16, 2004

Akasa said:
Will you please explain to me how it is okay and biblical to assault someone for cussing, and finding this action amusing? WWJD?

The biblical basis is the same as the basis for police. It is biblical to use force in certain situations where people are not willing to listen to reason. It helps to bring order to society when there are limits on behavior. Sometimes force is required to enforce limits.

If the man had truelly assualted him in the snese that he killed or injured the man to take vengence upon him that would have exceeded what the situation called for. He simply attempted to take the man's phone from him after the man refused to stop acting rude.

It is biblically o.k. to take a stand for social justice. we are not talkign about a man having some sort of out of control temper fit. He stood up for what is right.

Yitzchak · Dec 16, 2004

USincognito said:
Not to go down the race road, but I think being offended by language (the N word) versus actual assult (beating someone up for it) the person in the right is the person using offensive language.

Hey reactionaries,, how many of you would cheer a black man beating up a guy for using racially insensative language? Seriously, I'd like to know...

That said, I don't give the emotional weight to "cuss" words that some people do and while I avoid them around people who might get upset at my using them, do salt up my language sometimes as a verbal bolding or underline.

That further said, I can't help but love the thought of some old coot punching out a young punk. The paragon of this sort of encounter was when that player whose name I don't remember rushed the mound to attack Nolan Ryan and wound up smacked down and embarassed for hit efforts. The difference in this case being the older man attacking the younger... but still.

(Oh, and I abhor needless violence, just in case I'm not making that clear)

Obviously you are either exagerating to make a point or ddin't read the article carefully. Noone got beat up. They had a wrestling match trying to grab the phone from each other.

Akasa · Dec 16, 2004

i think you are rationlizing your desire to give this man kudo's. Would you wrestle a phone from a man's hand if you didn't like what he was saying?

Yitzchak · Dec 16, 2004

Akasa said:
i think you are rationlizing your desire to give this man kudo's. Would you wrestle a phone from a man's hand if you didn't like what he was saying?

I am standing behind my statement that this man is a hero. So in that sense I am rationlizing my desire to give him kudos.

I have already stated that if I were in the situation, I would explore more effective methods of dealing with the problem of rude people in restaurants. But dealing with long term solutions does not contradict with his short run solution.

I think exagerating the actions of the old man is misrepresentative of what happened. He kept his temper in check and did not beat up or attack this man. He simply did the best he could in the face of an arrogant and rude man.

ClaireZ · Dec 16, 2004

Corey said:
No...you don't have a right to not hear foul language in a public place. See...your rights end where my nose begins. I have the right to say whatever I wish in public so long as it doesn't cause real harm (e.g., yelling "Fire" in crowded theater, libel, etc.).

In a public place, you have no right to stop someone else's freedom of speech. Restaurants and stores are not "public" though. The staff can toss people out if they so desire.

Actually many places have laws against swearing in public. I would never consider violence to shut someone up, but I sure would consider reporting them to the police.

If I am respectful enough of them to bring it to their attention that they are offending people (they may be to stupid to know) then they should be respectful enough to tone down the language.

I live in a small town, so usually the threat of calling their parents works just fine, but I wouldnt hesitate to have them arrested if they kept it up. I myself never think violence is the solution, but my husband would snatch one of those kids up in a heartbeat. I prefer to try to use reason, although I always give people the benefit of the doubt and assume they have a brain.

jameseb · Dec 16, 2004

Akasa said:
i think you are rationlizing your desire to give this man kudo's. Would you wrestle a phone from a man's hand if you didn't like what he was saying?

Something just came to my attention.... you obviously feel that grabbing this man's phone was a violent and inappropriate act (it wasn't appropriate in my view either), but just out of curiousity.... do you feel the same way about, say, name calling? Would you condemn name calling along with phone grabbing?

Akasa · Dec 16, 2004

I don't understand your question?? I condemn them both, but physical "attacks" are worse than verbal ones, IMO.

-Truth- · Dec 16, 2004

It is tuff to know what god thinks of verbal attacks.

[bible]2 Kings 2:23-24[/bible]

jameseb · Dec 16, 2004

Akasa said:
I don't understand your question?? I condemn them both, but physical "attacks" are worse than verbal ones, IMO.

In the eyes of God it doesn't matter whether its verbal or physical.

Anyway, it was just a... question.

USincognito · Dec 16, 2004

Yitzchak said:
Obviously you are either exagerating to make a point or ddin't read the article carefully. Noone got beat up. They had a wrestling match trying to grab the phone from each other.

I was addressing the larger point of words leading to physical confrontation.

I wonder how many of those of you who applaud the older mans actions would do the same if it were someone using racist or mysoginistic language and a minority or woman came up and tussled with the guy over his phone. Or does the assulting people over speech only count for "cuss" words?

Akasa · Dec 16, 2004

jameseb said:
In the eyes of God it doesn't matter whether its verbal or physical.

Anyway, it was just a... question.

And it also doesnt' matter whether it is thought about or actually acted upon.....

and it was just an answer

Illuminatus · Dec 16, 2004

This seems to be the month of elderly violence. First that old guy fights the intruder for an hour and a half, now this. Remind me to tread lightly in the grocery store on senior's day.

Izzy23 · Dec 16, 2004

Good for him. He went Old School on this disrespectful twits butt. If I would have heard this person speaking this way in front of my dad, grandad or anyone I love, I would have done the same thing. That's a real man....and he is a hero. Someone who risks himself to fight the good fight will always be considered a hero.

Leimeng · Dec 16, 2004

~ I congradulate the old man.
~ I am dismayed by the individuals who think they should ask the restaurant employees to quite the man.
~ One of the aspects of maturity that people forget is responsibility for your own actions.
~ One of the aspects of integrity is doing what is right.
~ One of the aspects of individualism (we are created as individuals after all), is to deal with situations and problems by yourself.
~ If someone says something offensive to you or your wife/kids. You should be man enough to stand up and say something about it. If they persist, a good old fashioned whooping might get the message across.
~ I am suprised at the lack of common courtesy now adays. It used to be that you were polite to people in public, opened and held doors for females, especially ones with babies. That when an older person started to talk to you, you would stand up. If a lady or someone elderly or handicapped got on the bus, you offered her your seat. If someone was talking to you, you would not interrupt.
~ Kudos to the old man!
~ Continue to discuss amongst yourselves...

Peace,

Leimeng

Flatulo Ergo Sum ~~~

Why doesnt glue stick to the inside of the bottle?

Whyzdom · Dec 16, 2004

FaithfulInHim said:
Before you correct someone else, remember the scripture Matthew 7:3-5, "And
why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?"

Edited to add: I hope we are done with this, it's silly and childish.

We are done with it, but for the record I wasn't correcting you. I was merely pointing that as Christians, we should apologize for our own mistakes as well. You just seem to like jumping on people, or you came across that way. I apologize for making you feel as if you were attacked by me, or rather corrected by me. That wasn't my intention at all.

God Bless.

USincognito · Dec 16, 2004

Leimeng said:
If someone says something offensive to you or your wife/kids. You should be man enough to stand up and say something about it. If they persist, a good old fashioned whooping might get the message across.

Is violence solving our prolems the sort of moral values we can expect in the new Red State era? Is beating people up for saying things we don't like the new PC?

Leimeng said:
I am suprised at the lack of common courtesy now adays.

You mean like the common courtesy of asking someone to watch their language rather than assulting them? Apart from that I do agree with your list of eroded courtesies. The irony of this story is that cell phone users tend to have no idea what common courtesy is when it comes to their phones.

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