Resurrection: Fact or Fiction?

[Flicker]

Are there any good books out there by historians stating the belief that there was no resurrection of Jesus? Stating the belief that the story of the resurrection was made up later?

 

[NeoScribe]

There are plenty out there, I just can't name them. And there are just as many out there that say the resurrection did happen, I just cant remember their names either!

 

[stumpjumper]

Are there any good books out there by historians stating the belief that there was no resurrection of Jesus? Stating the belief that the story of the resurrection was made up later?

Hit both sides at one time:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0830815694/sr=8-3/qid=1145792656/ref=sr_1_3/102-7175255-2900929?%5Fencoding=UTF8

Cuts down on the reading time

 

[Emmy]

Dear Flicker, without Resurrection, there would be no Christianity, it is Jesus`s Divinity, God dieing for His people, paying the Sacrifice, God`s Holy Law demands for our transgressions. Then rising again after 3 days, not only being seen by His disciples, and many men and women too, but also being EXPERIENCED by thousands upon thousands of witnesses, over the last 2000 years, or more. Witnesses who gladly call themselves Christians, followers of Christ, and many will testify to the Truth of His Being. I willingly admit that some holy and good men, have followers, but Never are they in such numbers. The Resurrection is Fact alright, and the proof is there for all to see. I say this with humility and love, Flicker, and send greetings. Emmy, sister in Christ.

 

[Chrysalis Kat]

Are there any good books out there by historians stating the belief that there was no resurrection of Jesus? Stating the belief that the story of the resurrection was made up later?

Are you only interesting in books on this topic?
There are some very good net resources available on this.

 

[Homie]

Way to go Flicker, make up your mind first, then find "evidence" to back up your claim. Very open-minded and professional.

 

[artybloke]

Way to go Flicker, make up your mind first, then find "evidence" to back up your claim. Very open-minded and professional.

On the other hand, it's an uncannily similar method to that used by YECists...

 

[Chrysalis Kat]

Way to go Flicker, make up your mind first, then find "evidence" to back up your claim. Very open-minded and professional.

Just like making up your open mind about what her intentions are in that oh so dangerous activity known as seeking information?

 

[stumpjumper]

Nothing wrong with looking at both sides of the issue. I wish young earth creationists would do the same...

 

[KCDAD]

A good conservative approach is taken in Evidence That Demands a Verdict by Josh McDowell.

The Day Christ Died byJim Bishop is good.

 

[Homie]

Just like making up your open mind about what her intentions are in that oh so dangerous activity known as seeking information?

Yeah, yeah. Didn't ask for your information Hippie.

 

[stumpjumper]

Yeah, yeah. Didn't ask for your information Hippie.

Well now that's certainly an "open minded" statement of yours.

You are promoting open mindedness and professionalism now aren't you? Or do you disagree with your own assertion?

Way to go Flicker, make up your mind first, then find "evidence" to back up your claim. Very open-minded and professional.

 

[Chrysalis Kat]

Yeah, yeah. Didn't ask for your information Hippie.

Of course not. You made up your mind about what her intentions are and will throw out any information to the contrary.

I'm a firm believer in the Truth not needing any defense, it will stand or fall on it's own. Reviewing arguments for and against is an excellent way to increase one's understanding of any topic. Nothing threatening at all in any of that.

Chill out dude.

 

[spinningtutu]

Resurrection - neither 'fact' nor 'fiction'

Rather -
existential faith statement about reality, using mythology, that ends up being remarkably true to many, many people

 

[Homie]

Yeah.....right

Sounds very profound, give yourself a pat on the back. But what do you mean by "ends up being remarkably true to many, many people"?

Either it is true or it is not, it's that simple. Either Jesus rose from the dead or he didn't. So you're wrong, it has to be either fact or fiction.

 

[artybloke]

Either it is true or it is not, it's that simple.

I don't think anybody above is making any claim to the truthfullness of the resurection stories.

They might want to question the factuality of the stories but that's not the same as saying that something isn't true.

 

[Brennin]

Yeah, yeah. Didn't ask for your information Hippie.

LOL!

 

[spinningtutu]

Clarification:

Whether or not a dead body actually got rescucitated or not is either "historical" or "not" (still not fond of the fact/fiction scenario).

But that is what I call rescucitation/revivification- to me, resurrection is something different.

Whether or not Jesus "rose again" or not depends on whether or not someone lets Jesus rise again in their own heart. It is like how that song goes in Church... "you ask me how I know he lives, he lives inside my heart..."

What I'm saying is that what historically did (or did not) take place in reality has no bearing, nor should it, on whether or not the risen Jesus is made manifest in someone's heart and life.

 

[Homie]

Clarification:

Whether or not a dead body actually got rescucitated or not is either "historical" or "not" (still not fond of the fact/fiction scenario).

But that is what I call rescucitation/revivification- to me, resurrection is something different.

Whether or not Jesus "rose again" or not depends on whether or not someone lets Jesus rise again in their own heart. It is like how that song goes in Church... "you ask me how I know he lives, he lives inside my heart..."

What I'm saying is that what historically did (or did not) take place in reality has no bearing, nor should it, on whether or not the risen Jesus is made manifest in someone's heart and life.

I beg to differ, and so does St Paul:

17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all men.

(I Cor 15:17-19)

And if someone comes to life after being dead for 3 days, or even just one day, that is not called a rescucitation, that is a freakin miracle!

 

[Arkanin]

Way to go Flicker, make up your mind first, then find "evidence" to back up your claim. Very open-minded and professional.

I would say that Flicker has to be one of the least biased people on this forum, certainly less biased than myself. He / she was able to objectively describe a theology that (she?) completely disagreed with, that I agree with, without trying to explain why I'm wrong, and I myself am impressed with that quality, and heck, I don't think I can do that myself. I think we were talking about CS lewis at the time.

I beg to differ, and so does St Paul:

17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all men.

(I Cor 15:17-19)

And if someone comes to life after being dead for 3 days, or even just one day, that is not called a rescucitation, that is a freakin miracle!

Christ is a miracle, but I don't see a reason to think the spiritual miracle is defined by the physical miracle. At that, I don't see why it's unbiblical to disagree with Paul; he is a man just as much as I am a man. The issue is this: Jesus could have died and stayed physically dead and still been the son of god, or Jesus could have done cartwheels in the air and shot rockets out of his rear end, and still not have been the son of god. Whatever the case, Jesus is the son of god, and that is what matters.