arunma said:
You mean like South Korea? A person on this forum recently gave me the pleasant knowledge that in a few years, it's predicted that Buddhism will be dead in South Korea, because the Koreans have also received the birthright of every human being, which is to worship the true God through Jesus Christ. It seems to me that the only way Hinduism and Buddhism ever survive is through religious persecution of the church.
You make me laugh. You know how much opportunity Christianity had in India in the past isn't it? And they have themselves conceded heavy defeat. The British ruled for 300 years, and you Britain is a theocratic state and tried its best to influence India, but dont pretend to look the other way. No amount of forcible means, deciet, or bible-food exchange programmes have ever worked in India. As have been repeatedly mentioned, the only converts in Inda now are essentially are poor and oppressed dalits. Infact you can influence nobody else, no Hindu or Buddhist.
What prevented Christianity from getting a hold of India from 1600-1947 when they have every oppiutunity to get a foot hold. They even tried to put down Hindu scripture as some racist doctrine - even that did not work, as the roots of Hindu8sm are very strong and dont fall for the gentle breeze of Christianity.
What makes you even think a devoted Hindu satisified and finding perfect peace within himself through Yogic meditation, and is contended with everything in life, choose Christianity? People chnage religion when they are not satisified with something and also have a miserable life for which the religion cannot give a logical explanation.
A Christian suffering from a very bad illness from birth and suffering all life has nothing to fall upon than to conclude God has been uncaring for him, and having been punished just becuase of no obvious fault of his. A Hindu will always satisfy himself that he is just suffering for a past Karma, and God is really unrelated to this in anyway. For this reasons, suicide is very rare in Hindus because of the willingness to accept a punishment for on's own faults in the past.
arunma said:
Right...you and every other opponent of Christianity throughout the past 2,000 years. I'm sorry, but if you ever read Saint Justin Martyr's dialog with Trypho the Jew, you'll find that all of your arguments have been used for centuries against the church, and we're still here.
Yes, every opponent of Chrstianity was dealt with away - what happened to insiders who were against the Nicene creed - they were simply butchered. What happened to the early opposers of Christianity? They were finished off. What happened to the scientists who spoke against= they were tortured and made slient. What happened to people who held different beleifs - they were branded as witches and burned at the stake. And no wonder, why you are still here. But for the authority of the Church, there would be no christianity now.
Christainity's main growth until the 19th century was on these lines. It simly cannot stand against science and logic - and it accounts for its decreasing numbers everywhere. Even in India, it has had no growth even since independecne, in the last 50 years. Even now you cannot do anything without resorting to deceptive tactics. The only reason it has any impact in India(if at all) it is because of the "tolerance" of Hindus who take everything lying down they did with the muslims and even today entertain hopes of peace with Islam, a logical impossibility. And when a small number of them lodge a protest, they are called "oppressing the Church".
Nowhere in the world, minorities get special privileges like in India, at present:
The prinme minister is a minority
The defence minsiter is a minority
The president is a minority
The government itself is indirectly controled by a minority Italian.
Many senior positions in the parliament are held my minorties.
Do you think this can happen if Hindus are oppressing the minority? Such statements have no proof. Minorties are killing Hindus left and right all over North East India. And nobody to question them. Minorities have killed no less than 300,000 Hindus in Kashmir and drivien out a much bigger population in Kashmir. If Hindus start doing the same thing on minorities, what do you think is the status of minorites in India? I will use one word = EXTINCTION.
And I think I have told, you, prove the might of your religion by converting people who really know Hinduism and logic - like the Vaishnavites or the real advaitins. I am sorry that is something you can never workout, now or in future. I am yet to hear to hear one single Hindu Vaishnavite or Smarta ever adopting Christianity. Of course, I have heard of entire illietarte villages adopting Christianity for monetary schemes, and many of them returning back to Hinduism. What is the urban figure for Christianity in India? Ever wondered about that? It is less than 0.5%, showing how much popular it is with the more educated people. Christianity is 3.2% in rural illiterate India.
And dont be fooled by the official numbers. The Cathollic Church, I understand never strike off records of ex-Chrsitains even with passage of time.
Like you often like to brag, we understand our scriptural prophecies also say the same thing, more people will take to adharmic religions and Hindus will decrease in the Kali Yuga, if more people adopt adharmic religions we are not surprised. We just understand that more people fell in evil ways. Numbers have nothing to do for us. We would remain a few thousand enlightened Yogis than be a race of a few billion cut throats. We do know that the world will possible be full of terrorists(muslims?) and communists towards the end of Kali Yuga. Hinduism will disappear and will be minority towards the end of Kali Yuga,we already know that, and they will fall into deceptive missionaries, fall prey to violent muslims, will be ruled by iron hand by the Communist China in future - but for the present, you cannot influence Hinduism, as Kali end is still far away.