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The recent vote in the General Assembly in favor of the Report on Peace, Unity, and Purity has forced me to leave the PCUSA.
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Resignation From Session and The PCUSA
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calmcoolandelected
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I am saddened to hear of the recent activity in the PCUSA. I know your decision to leave was not easy and I will pray for you and your family.Foundthelight said:
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for your search for a new church home.
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Foundthelight said:
My heart breaks for you. As one who grew up PCUSA the decisions made this past week have been saddening to say the least.
God be with you and your family as you look for a new church home. He will truly bless you for taking a Scriptural stance.
edie
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Psalm 16
5 LORD, you have assigned me my portion and my cup;
you have made my lot secure.
6 The boundary lines have fallen for me in pleasant places;
surely I have a delightful inheritance. 7 I will praise the LORD, who counsels me;
even at night my heart instructs me.
The Lord has set you free from your assignment. Rejoice!
5 LORD, you have assigned me my portion and my cup;
you have made my lot secure.
6 The boundary lines have fallen for me in pleasant places;
surely I have a delightful inheritance. 7 I will praise the LORD, who counsels me;
even at night my heart instructs me.
The Lord has set you free from your assignment. Rejoice!
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cubanito
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There is more in common between the PC USA, Methodists, American Episcopalians than between the PC USA and the PCA or OPC.
These days the old denom lines are different. It's not so much about Baptism and TULIP and much more about Biblical inerrancy. When one denies Biblical inerrancy, the building is left on sand, and it is only a matter of personal preference. Those who believe in the foundations may argue all day long about how to construct the edifice, but they are brothers.
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These days the old denom lines are different. It's not so much about Baptism and TULIP and much more about Biblical inerrancy. When one denies Biblical inerrancy, the building is left on sand, and it is only a matter of personal preference. Those who believe in the foundations may argue all day long about how to construct the edifice, but they are brothers.
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arunma
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Ugh...the PCUSA website is awful. When I read the OP, I had no idea what the Peace, Unity, and Purity Report was (they seem like positive things), so I went to the PCUSA website to find out. Their navigation is horrible.
After some Googling, I found this:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1653192/posts
Am I correct to understand that the PCUSA has permitted its ordained leaders to engage in extramarital sex?
After some Googling, I found this:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1653192/posts
Am I correct to understand that the PCUSA has permitted its ordained leaders to engage in extramarital sex?
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PCUSA votes for dope
The Presbyterian Church in the USA has endorsed access to cannabis for medical purposes.
The General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church (USA) voted to endorse legal access to medical marijuana for seriously ill patients.
By consensus, the denomination passed a resolution "urging Federal legislation that allows for its use and that provides for the production and distribution of the plant for those purposes."
This comes just days before a major medical marijuana vote in the U.S. Congress. In the next few days, Congress will vote on an amendment to the Commerce-Justice-State Appropriations bill to prohibit the use of federal funds for arresting medical marijuana patients in those states that allow medical marijuana.
PCUSA opens door to gay clergy
BIRMINGHAM, Alabama (Reuters) - The largest U.S. Presbyterian Church body approved a measure on Tuesday that would open the way for the ordination of gays and lesbians under certain circumstances.
The new policy was approved on a vote of 57-43 percent among 500 church representatives at the biennial meeting of the Presbyterian Church U.S.A. It gives local church organizations more leeway in deciding if gays can be ordained as lay deacons and elders as well as clergy, provided they are faithful to the church's core values.
"It permits local governing bodies to examine candidates on a wider criterion than sexual orientation ... it allows these bodies to look at the whole person and not categorize them," said Jon Walton, pastor of First Presbyterian Church in New York's Greenwich Village and a member of the "Covenant Network of Presbyterians" which backed the change.
PCUSA redefines "Trinity"
The divine Trinity _ "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" _ could also be known as "Mother, Child and Womb" or "Rock, Redeemer, Friend" at some Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) services under an action Monday by the church's national assembly.
Delegates to the meeting voted to "receive" a policy paper on gender- inclusive language for the Trinity, a step short of approving it. That means church officials can propose experimental liturgies with alternative phrasings for the Trinity, but congregations won't be required to use them.
"This does not alter the church's theological position, but provides an educational resource to enhance the spiritual life of our membership," legislative committee chair Nancy Olthoff, an Iowa laywoman, said during Monday's debate on the Trinity.
The assembly narrowly defeated a conservative bid to refer the paper back for further study.
PCUSA elects new leader
BIRMINGHAM, Ala. - The nation's largest Presbyterian group, the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A), opened its national meeting Thursday by electing a Georgia minister to lead the 2.3 million-member denomination.
The Rev. Joan S. Gray will serve as the titular leader and spokeswoman for the church, which will grapple with issues including homosexuality and Mideast peace during the eight-day General Assembly.
In addressing the question of whether to ordain gays, Gray said she was torn between her desire to respect all people and the fact she "can't get my mind" around the idea that homosexuality is part of God's plan.
Gray said she has no specific plan for healing rifts within the church, but said members must "recapture our spiritual energy."
The Presbyterian Church in the USA has endorsed access to cannabis for medical purposes.
The General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church (USA) voted to endorse legal access to medical marijuana for seriously ill patients.
By consensus, the denomination passed a resolution "urging Federal legislation that allows for its use and that provides for the production and distribution of the plant for those purposes."
This comes just days before a major medical marijuana vote in the U.S. Congress. In the next few days, Congress will vote on an amendment to the Commerce-Justice-State Appropriations bill to prohibit the use of federal funds for arresting medical marijuana patients in those states that allow medical marijuana.
PCUSA opens door to gay clergy
BIRMINGHAM, Alabama (Reuters) - The largest U.S. Presbyterian Church body approved a measure on Tuesday that would open the way for the ordination of gays and lesbians under certain circumstances.
The new policy was approved on a vote of 57-43 percent among 500 church representatives at the biennial meeting of the Presbyterian Church U.S.A. It gives local church organizations more leeway in deciding if gays can be ordained as lay deacons and elders as well as clergy, provided they are faithful to the church's core values.
"It permits local governing bodies to examine candidates on a wider criterion than sexual orientation ... it allows these bodies to look at the whole person and not categorize them," said Jon Walton, pastor of First Presbyterian Church in New York's Greenwich Village and a member of the "Covenant Network of Presbyterians" which backed the change.
PCUSA redefines "Trinity"
The divine Trinity _ "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" _ could also be known as "Mother, Child and Womb" or "Rock, Redeemer, Friend" at some Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) services under an action Monday by the church's national assembly.
Delegates to the meeting voted to "receive" a policy paper on gender- inclusive language for the Trinity, a step short of approving it. That means church officials can propose experimental liturgies with alternative phrasings for the Trinity, but congregations won't be required to use them.
"This does not alter the church's theological position, but provides an educational resource to enhance the spiritual life of our membership," legislative committee chair Nancy Olthoff, an Iowa laywoman, said during Monday's debate on the Trinity.
The assembly narrowly defeated a conservative bid to refer the paper back for further study.
PCUSA elects new leader
BIRMINGHAM, Ala. - The nation's largest Presbyterian group, the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A), opened its national meeting Thursday by electing a Georgia minister to lead the 2.3 million-member denomination.
The Rev. Joan S. Gray will serve as the titular leader and spokeswoman for the church, which will grapple with issues including homosexuality and Mideast peace during the eight-day General Assembly.
In addressing the question of whether to ordain gays, Gray said she was torn between her desire to respect all people and the fact she "can't get my mind" around the idea that homosexuality is part of God's plan.
Gray said she has no specific plan for healing rifts within the church, but said members must "recapture our spiritual energy."
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arunma
Flaming Calvinist
All of the other issues you mentioned seems like serious problems, but I'm not so sure about the medical marijuana. Now, I am against the use of medical marijuana for other reasons. But I'm not sure this is an issue on which a definite stance can be taken from the Scriptures.
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