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Republicans support KBR on rape

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I was recently watching the Daily Show and there was a story about Al Franken's proposed amendment regarding government contracts. An employee, Jamie Lee Jones, of Halliburton/KBR, was drugged and raped in Iraq by fellow employees. When she reported the rape to she bosses she was put in a shipping container and told not to seek medical attention.

Senator Franken has proposed the amendment to ensure that government contractors cannot make employees sign contracts where they cannot seek court action against them but are instead forced into arbitration.

During the vote 30 of the 40 Republicans voted against this amendment. Four of the ten voting to support it were all the female Republican Senators.

Why are so many Republicans against protecting women from rape by government military contractors?

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Al Franken, the Daily Show and the Daily Kos? What great sites for unbiased and truthful reporting. (rolls eyes)

And ghastly man. Hmm. Maybe you should ask why Nancy (Skeletor) Pelosi doesn't want the charts on how they want one more massive governement bureaucracy to take in money but not really put out any. The chart I'm talking about is the one about health care.

Oh, and about health care. My wife says the financials show that for every dollar the insurance company takes in 5 cents goes to pay salaries, 5 cents is profit to the investors, and 90 percent pays claims. Who get the money from the claims? Lawyers, and medical pro's

Way better than goverment which returns something like 70% to the taxpayer as I've seen in the past.

A pox on both the democreeps and repugnants. To bad there isn't a constitution party.
 
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Al Franken, the Daily Show and the Daily Kos? What great sites for unbiased and truthful reporting.
Admittedly, the Daily Show is a comedy show and I don't know much about the Daily Kos but Al Franken is a US Senator who proposed the amendment. What does his video have to do with being unbiased.

Are you biased against women who report a gang rape and who tries to put a stop to the abuses that women have to face at times from their male coworkers.?

This should not be about party lines or trying to protect military contractors because they may be contributing to political campaigns. Rape is rape and no one should try and find excuses for it.

If you have a site which gives more accurate info, I'd be glad to look at it. There may be something that we don't know about the amendment which those opposed to it have stated. Information helps to us to make sense out of things. Give us some information and not just rhetoric.
 
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I was recently watching the Daily Show and there was a story about Al Franken's proposed amendment regarding government contracts. An employee, Jamie Lee Jones, of Halliburton/KBR, was drugged and raped in Iraq by fellow employees. When she reported the rape to she bosses she was put in a shipping container and told not to seek medical attention.

Senator Franken has proposed the amendment to ensure that government contractors cannot make employees sign contracts where they cannot seek court action against them but are instead forced into arbitration.

During the vote 30 of the 40 Republicans voted against this amendment. Four of the ten voting to support it were all the female Republican Senators.

Why are so many Republicans against protecting women from rape by government military contractors?
Wow! Talk about a quantum leap in logic! :doh:

Do you really believe, do you honestly believe, let alone expect us to believe those congressmen voted against this measure because they don't want to protect women from rape??? Or is that just a hastily drawn conclusion in support of a partisan bias against republicans?

That was a heinous act, for sure - and the offenders deserving of punishment and the victim deserving of justice if the facts of the story are even partly true. But it breaches the bounds of credibility to suggest these congressmen support rape.

What were the stated reasons these congressmen did not support this measure? Did anyone ask this question or post their responses?

Would there be unforeseen consequences were the measure to pass? If so, what might they be? Were any brought forth during the debate?

Did the woman take this heinous act to arbitration as her contract allowed? If so, what was the outcome? Did anyone ask that question?

Al Franken made this comment:
The constitution gives everybody the right to due process of law ... And today, defense contractors are using fine print in their contracts do deny women like Jamie Leigh Jones their day in court
Did Al Franken cite any other cases in support of his measure or did he base it entirely on the Jamie Leigh Jones incident?

Is a contract not considered "due process of law?" Is arbitration not considered "due process of law?"

Not justifying the heinous act at all, but this story does beg the question - why did this woman agree to those terms when she signed the contract? Did this company force her or somehow coerce her to sign the contract? Did she read the contract before she signed it? Did she know that clause was in the contract? How big is the contract anyway? How many pages did it contain? Did she read it and assume being a woman in a foreign battle zone far from home surrounded by mostly men with few other female contacts would guarantee her safety? Or did she sign it before she knew she might have to travel to Baghdad?

I review contracts regularly as part of my job. EVERY contract is drafted with every possible verbiage in favor of the company who writes it. That's just the way contracts work. But everyone who signs a contract too has a right to edit portions of a contract as they deem fit for their interests. It's done all the time. The company may refuse the changes or they may accept some or all of them - that's a standard part of the contract negotiation process and sometimes parties will walk away from signing because those negotiations failed to reach resolution.

Has anyone questioned or probed this aspect of her situation?
 
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Whoo, how nice you are. You call a man ghastly. You therefore poke fun at a politician. I poke fun at weird, nasty, power crazy woman politician and I'm mean?

This woman thinks she is co president. She insists on being saluted. She is not in the chain of command, and she wants the military to act like a doorman and be obseqious. She regularly attacks those who disagree with her, like you are doing, and then says lets not play politics like she want the high ground.

Al Franken is total dweeb comedic fool. He is in no sense senatorial in his conduct, personal beleifs that he should do all for the good of the country instead of being a party hack.

Healthcare is one of the many thing Obama lies about. Congresscritters love to criticize business, but they sure do love to make law that makes anyone a criminal. And yes laws are passed every day that make darn near everyone a criminal.

You both need to think instead of emote. And you need to ask the question always what agenda does this person really have.

I do wish we had better health care that is accessible to all, but I also know that Gubbamint healhcare would be a disaster.

Finally you want to get all ad hominem, I can do that too.
 
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So you study abnormal development? What kind oh wunnerfully perfect speller? And so you have something against folks with dyslexia and ADD?

The argument is that gubamint can't do anything well except what is in the constitution. And even that is suspect.

A well regulated industry is always going to beat gubamint out in efficiency. Notice I said well regulated. Pass law only when necessary to regulate business and then enforcement it equally for all, and don't throw business the way of your friends like some many congresscritters do.
 
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Don't knock it. America needs the Daily Show, in fact more satire in general should be encouraged.
I'm not knocking it, I watch it nightly. It gets me ready for the Colbert Report, but what I called the Daily Show is exactly what John Stewart calls it.
 
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Senator Franken has proposed the amendment to ensure that government contractors cannot make employees sign contracts where they cannot seek court action against them but are instead forced into arbitration


They didn't vote on rape, or this lady's claim...they were voting on making it where contractors cannot make employees sign contracts where they cannot seek court action against them but are instead forced into arbitration.

This is due to the fact that ANY company can tell ANY potential employee what their policies are before employment and tell them if they would like to work there they have to sign an agreement stating they accept company policy.

the demospats themselves do this all the time in their private business ventures so they don't land in a lawsuit or under criminal charges due to actions of their employees...which an employer cannot always control.

As far as the rape itself is concerned (whole separate issue) I think that lady oughta keep track of those guys and file a lawsuit for damages against them personally, which she could make alot of money off of

You can't go back and undo what happened, but she can probably get some cash...which she's going to need for counseling and to live on as she prolly doesn't feel like working.

It's too bad she didn't have a pistol to have been able to use in stopping the rape. Down in the south, they have women that will shoot you if you try that with them...and rightfully so, cause that's the most effective way to stop that trash!


Besides...somebody will be spankin al frankin in the next election!
 
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They didn't vote on rape, or this lady's claim...they were voting on making it where contractors cannot make employees sign contracts where they cannot seek court action against them but are instead forced into arbitration.

This is due to the fact that ANY company can tell ANY potential employee what their policies are before employment and tell them if they would like to work there they have to sign an agreement stating they accept company policy.

the demospats themselves do this all the time in their private business ventures so they don't land in a lawsuit or under criminal charges due to actions of their employees...which an employer cannot always control.

As far as the rape itself is concerned (whole separate issue) I think that lady oughta keep track of those guys and file a lawsuit for damages against them personally, which she could make alot of money off of

You can't go back and undo what happened, but she can probably get some cash...which she's going to need for counseling and to live on as she prolly doesn't feel like working.

It's too bad she didn't have a pistol to have been able to use in stopping the rape. Down in the south, they have women that will shoot you if you try that with them...and rightfully so, cause that's the most effective way to stop that trash!


Besides...somebody will be spankin al frankin in the next election!

Ignoring the question of whether I agree with you or not, this is probably the most coherent I have ever seen you on these forums.
 
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That was actually the dumbest part of the post.


C'mon man! Where's your sense of humor??? :doh:

You know back in the day on the play ground at Al Frankin's middle school...the bully of the school yard was looking for little AL so he could be spankin Frankin!
 
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No worse than when conservatives make equally fallacious and broad-ranging remarks, like disagreeing with them is equivalent to treason, or socialism is government worshipping Marxism.

Speck, forest, eye, etc.
I doubt I could find a single significant political discussion where Matthew 7:1-5 wasn't a relevant passage to consider.
 
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