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Religious people: Did you feel any guilt when you lost your virginity?
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<blockquote data-quote="Shane Roach" data-source="post: 61534600" data-attributes="member: 1461"><p>I was a Christian not yet well versed in the Bible. I had a lot of confidence in it, but it was fairly blind and ignorant confidence at the time. Plus I had what seems, in retrospect, to be a legitimate feeling that just HAVING sex without yet being married is not a huge big deal as long as other things are taken care of. So like... in the Old Testament where you find that a young man and young lady have sex before they are married, long as they marry everything is fine. There is also an allowance for the girl's father to nix the marriage and take a monetary penalty from the young man (or old man, I guess... it does not specify. I just tend to think of it in terms of the young and impetuous.)</p><p></p><p>Bottom line, there is no death penalty for pre-marital or extra marital sex in the Old Testament. In fact, barring the involvement of a virgin, there is no penalty for sex outside of marriage AT ALL, which to me says a lot about how important marriage was at the time that you go from a sort of legal no man's land to the death penalty. </p><p></p><p>You will search the scripture in vain for a legal penalty for prostitution as well. And yet there is nary a positive word to be found about prostitution. </p><p></p><p>Subtle, huh? It's almost as if people in ancient times weren't abject morons, and had some sense of things being bad, but that over reacting to them might be worse.........</p><p></p><p>Anyhow, I read the Bible through some.... I think two to three years afterwards, and that's when it struck me that I had really sacrificed some real blessings, even put God himself in a rather humiliating position in the process (one of my experiences was with a prostitute). Once I got through my self doubt over that, I began to take much more seriously the Biblical warnings about the nature of the un-Godly. It flat out tells you, "Oh yeah, they will not only do immoral things, but they will promote it and congratulate others who also do them." </p><p></p><p>And indeed they do.... </p><p></p><p>And all of these values have a basis in objective reality if you examine your own experiences, history, and the law. So it's not SPECIFICALLY a Christian thing. It's just amazing how the preponderance of non Christians leap fairly quickly to the conclusion that anything in the Bible is suspect, even the seemingly most obvious, like maybe the activity most closely associated with strong, passionate feelings of love and attachment should not be made casual and tawdry, and that the behavior responsible for the multiplication of human life might be treated with more dignity, respect, and soberness than say a game of football.</p><p></p><p>It's the fact that irreligious people spend so much effort trying to poo poo things that are just obviously good that adds to my faith as I get older. There is no rational reason for dozens of people to flock to a Christian site to mock people who talk about the importance of being responsible sexually, and insult the Biblical teachings on the matter as just hopelessly stupid and, in some of their cases, accusing the Biblical teachings of being abjectly evil.</p><p></p><p>More than you asked for... But that's sort of the outline of how I came to where I am today on the topic.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Shane Roach, post: 61534600, member: 1461"] I was a Christian not yet well versed in the Bible. I had a lot of confidence in it, but it was fairly blind and ignorant confidence at the time. Plus I had what seems, in retrospect, to be a legitimate feeling that just HAVING sex without yet being married is not a huge big deal as long as other things are taken care of. So like... in the Old Testament where you find that a young man and young lady have sex before they are married, long as they marry everything is fine. There is also an allowance for the girl's father to nix the marriage and take a monetary penalty from the young man (or old man, I guess... it does not specify. I just tend to think of it in terms of the young and impetuous.) Bottom line, there is no death penalty for pre-marital or extra marital sex in the Old Testament. In fact, barring the involvement of a virgin, there is no penalty for sex outside of marriage AT ALL, which to me says a lot about how important marriage was at the time that you go from a sort of legal no man's land to the death penalty. You will search the scripture in vain for a legal penalty for prostitution as well. And yet there is nary a positive word to be found about prostitution. Subtle, huh? It's almost as if people in ancient times weren't abject morons, and had some sense of things being bad, but that over reacting to them might be worse......... Anyhow, I read the Bible through some.... I think two to three years afterwards, and that's when it struck me that I had really sacrificed some real blessings, even put God himself in a rather humiliating position in the process (one of my experiences was with a prostitute). Once I got through my self doubt over that, I began to take much more seriously the Biblical warnings about the nature of the un-Godly. It flat out tells you, "Oh yeah, they will not only do immoral things, but they will promote it and congratulate others who also do them." And indeed they do.... And all of these values have a basis in objective reality if you examine your own experiences, history, and the law. So it's not SPECIFICALLY a Christian thing. It's just amazing how the preponderance of non Christians leap fairly quickly to the conclusion that anything in the Bible is suspect, even the seemingly most obvious, like maybe the activity most closely associated with strong, passionate feelings of love and attachment should not be made casual and tawdry, and that the behavior responsible for the multiplication of human life might be treated with more dignity, respect, and soberness than say a game of football. It's the fact that irreligious people spend so much effort trying to poo poo things that are just obviously good that adds to my faith as I get older. There is no rational reason for dozens of people to flock to a Christian site to mock people who talk about the importance of being responsible sexually, and insult the Biblical teachings on the matter as just hopelessly stupid and, in some of their cases, accusing the Biblical teachings of being abjectly evil. More than you asked for... But that's sort of the outline of how I came to where I am today on the topic. [/QUOTE]
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