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Religious conscience and providing services

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Yes.

No. One (human) man and one (human) woman create One in marriage. Had you kept race out of your question and instead asked if businesses be permitted to refuse transhumans or human animal hybrids specific services in relation to marriage, I would have answered yes.
 
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It's weird because, as an atheist, I've never been refused services based upon moral indignation.

I wonder why it's so important for Christians to oppose people being Gay and not really other things.

You mean like how they don't scream about divorce even though that is an actual threat to marriage? Simple: they might need one some day. It's much easier to scapegoat Gays than admit their own moral bankruptcy.
 
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You mean like how they don't scream about divorce even though that is an actual threat to marriage? Simple: they might need one some day. It's much easier to scapegoat Gays than admit their own moral bankruptcy.

I meant how atheists get married all the time and this doesn't come up.

But to your point I do really wish the moral reflex people have would be less about finding some group of outsiders to admonish and fret about.
 
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You mean like how they don't scream about divorce even though that is an actual threat to marriage? Simple: they might need one some day. It's much easier to scapegoat Gays than admit their own moral bankruptcy.

Actually a lot of Christians are getting again more harsher on divorces since millennials have gotten more fed up with having parents that don't live together anymore.

Also atheists tend to cohabitate more than get married.
 
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Actually a lot of Christians are getting again more harsher on divorces since millennials have gotten more fed up with having parents that don't live together anymore.

Also atheists tend to cohabitate more than get married.

That would be related to atheists getting married later in life than Christians. If you cohabit first you will find out if you're actually able to stand to live with someone.
 
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That would be related to atheists getting married later in life than Christians. If you cohabit first you will find out if you're actually able to stand to live with someone.

Cohabitation before engagement actually leads to more divorce:



Atheists marry less, marry older, and tend to be wealthier.
 
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I meant how atheists get married all the time and this doesn't come up.

I see this question come up a lot here and I don't really understand it. I'm not aware of any Christian sect that believes its wrong for atheists to marry each other. They may believe it's wrong to be an atheist and they may believe it's wrong for a Christian to marry an atheist, but no one says that atheists can't marry each other.

There are many inconsistencies and hypocrisies related to the modern conservative evangelical treatment of homosexuals, but this isn't one of them.
 
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First of all atheists marry Christians all the time.

That just leads to the question of why they are OK with atheist weddings in the first place.

They believe it's wrong for people to be gay and not ashamed of it, therefore they claim it would be wrong to decorate gay wedding cakes.

They believe it's wrong for me to be an atheist and not ashamed of it, but they have no problem with my wedding cake.

So, why don't they have a problem with me marrying?
 
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Because under no interpretation of the Bible does the Bible prohibit marriage between two non-believers.
 
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Because under no interpretation of the Bible does the Bible prohibit marriage between two non-believers.

Right it's about how biblical standards don't really apply to non-believers.

Then why do you care about enforcing biblical standards on gay people who don't believe the part of the Bible you do believe prohibits it?
 
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It also doesn't prohibit the marriage of two persons of the same sex. Not to put too fine a point on it.

That's a matter of debate. I'm not really interested in arguing about what it does or doesn't say, but it's not a stretch to interpret it as banning homosexual sex. Personally, I think that even if the Bible does prohibit that, it's not the place of a secular government to enforce that rule, but some people don't agree with that.

Variant said:
Then why do you care about enforcing biblical standards on gay people who don't believe the part of the Bible you do believe prohibits it?

Let's be clear - I don't care.

But now you've found one of the inconsistencies.
 
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Let's be clear - I don't care.

Apologies.

But now you've found one of the inconsistencies.

Well that's the basic inconsistency I feel like I have been talking about all along, perhaps it needs some refinement when I speak of it.
 
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