Anyone else think it would be cool to ad some relics as mid-level semi expensive special items to buy? The toe bone of St. Augustine perhaps? 
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Relics as special items
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Well I'm being silly about the toe bone, but if we can buy the holy grail, which is a relic, why not have more relics up there?
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It is a bit shaking, I will admitDreamTheater said:
When I saw the incorrupt body of Saint Catherine Labouret I was a bit put off at first, but then I approached her glass casket and actually saw the state of perfection she remains in and said "Praise God." Where is the tooth, by the way?
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Ah, if a St. Therese one pops up, i'm definently saving up for it! -parks a chair in line-
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It was inside some sort of glass thing at the Chicago Art Museum. I'm not sure if it's still there, I probablly saw it like 10 years ago.InnerPhyre said:It is a bit shaking, I will admit
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If God's anointing was for sale, I would get in line to buy that. Unfortunately it only comes through worship and repentance. hehehe.
I would like to see the original Arc of the Covenant. Or maybe an old pair of Jesus' sandals. It's hard to walk in his steps. I wonder what size shoe he wore?
I would like to see the original Arc of the Covenant. Or maybe an old pair of Jesus' sandals. It's hard to walk in his steps. I wonder what size shoe he wore?
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hmm, I dunno, it depends. Would Catholics be the only ones able to buy them? Wouldn't want any desecration going on.
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Yes they would!InnerPhyre said:I'm sure the Orthodox would treat them with care as well
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I'm in RCIA now, and I have a VERY hard time with "relics"... Personally, I think the likelihood of anyone having an authentic 2,000 year old relic is slim to none.... I personally don't think that any of the nails that allegedly were on the cross are anything more than an elaborate fraud. It would be idolatry to give them any kind of merit, anyway.
I understand the tradition behind having a relic in the altar, but I don't think carrying a relic around or doing anything with it other than making it a part of the altar is "healthy"... and even then, I don't think many people even know about the altar relics, so that makes it fairly irrelevant for most Catholics.
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I understand the tradition behind having a relic in the altar, but I don't think carrying a relic around or doing anything with it other than making it a part of the altar is "healthy"... and even then, I don't think many people even know about the altar relics, so that makes it fairly irrelevant for most Catholics.
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Paul S
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Maybe they are, maybe they aren't - personally, I do find it a bit hard to believe that the cross was found several hundred years later, but maybe God somehow preserved it and let it be found.
Whether they're real or not, we don't worship them. As important as the Cross is, it's not God. Since you're in RCIA, I assume you've discussed the Catholic use of statues. While we honour relics, it's not worship. By honouring a nail, we honour Our Lord and recall what he went through for our salvation.
I'm an RCIA sponsor, and last week the pastor gave us a tour of the church. He said that the custom of placing relics in the altar comes from the very early Church when Mass was literally said on the graves of the martyrs in the catacombs. They also show our belief in the communion of saints and in the resurrection of the body. We have two relics at my parish, the bodies of St. Magnus, Martyr, and St. Bonosa, Virgin Martyr. They're in glass cases under the side altars.
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Yes, I understand that the objects aren't worshipped... in principal.Paul S said:
No offense at all intended, but EWW!!!.... I don't know if I'd really appreciate seeing corpses in church. I can deal with the crucifix or statue of Mary, though (so long as the statue of Mary is not central to the building, e.g. is off to the side).
My protestant background makes it very hard for me to assimilate some of the more "physical" notions of Catholic worship. However, I will have to learn to accept some things that I may still choose not to participate in. I do believe in the Catholic church as the original church Christ founded, but I do not see myself praying the Rosary, and I'm still not sure about intercessions by human souls in heaven.
Baby steps.
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SouthCoast said:
The pastor said he finds it a bit creepy, too, and although it's not something we often do today (the relics were transferred to the church about 100 years ago), it's part of the Church's and the parish's history, so they stay.
I like them.
Most churches that look like Catholic churches (not the new ones that look more like auditoriums) have Jesus in the center. The tabernacle, which holds the Eucharist, is in the middle of the sanctuary, behind the altar, and so is the crucifix. Here's my parish (no dead people in this picture
); the tabernacle is the thing below the cross. http://louisville-catholic.net/mtngls2.jpgNear the front of the sanctuary, on the left (as you face the altar) is the Sacred Heart statue of Jesus, and on the right is a statue of Mary. The parish I used to go to had the same statues in the same places. The focus, of course, is always on the altar and the tabernacle, and Jesus.
You certainly don't have to pray the Rosary or pray to the saints, but maybe you'll become more comfortable with them as you learn more.
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So therefor the Holy Mandylion of Edessa, which is currently in the hands of the Vatican, and has been identified as being authentic and IS 2,000 years old is a fraud? Do you have any historical proof for your thoughts or are they pure conjecture?
It would not be idolatry to give merit to any relic. You must understand the difference between honor and adoration. Adoration is due and given to God alone, because he is the only one to whom it may rightly be given. This is the one sense of the word worship. Another form which the word worship is given is that which is rightly defined as honor. I suppose you have a picture or pictures of family members hanging on your wall. Perhaps you have a photo of your spouse or significant other in your wallet. This is honor which you are giving these people. It is not worship. How is it any different that we give honor to the Saints and to various sacred objects which deserve honor. We are not honoring them in per se, but rather we are honoring the witness they gave to Christ. You see, in the end, all honor is eventually given to the Trinity, whether that honor is first shown to a holy person or thing.
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