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That is very interesting...I've never really thought of it that way before. I know that I hear from alot of people that in this age women are more outgoing and there is nothing wrong with persuing a man. I know that personally, I don't feel comfortable doing that, but I was raised pretty old fashioned. Now, unless the guy is blind, he'll know if I am interested in him! ;) But I don't initiate the relationship and I don't persue him. It's nice to hear a scripture verse supporting that!
 
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Yes, apparently Ruth was a backslider! :D

I dunno, I have some problems with making a major life choice based on the supposed indirect interpretation of one single verse that is probably addressing some other issue, anyway. If God feels so strongly about it, why doesn't He come right out and say so? Besides, society was different back then. Men were in charge of almost everything, if a man wanted a wife, he "bought" her from her father. Who wants to go back to that culture? Anyone? Anyone?
 
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TriptychR said:
About the Bible saying something about women pursuing men... Didn't Ruth pursue her future husband?

No. Ruth seduced her future husband to pursue her. Read Ruth 2-4, it's pretty clear. Boaz noticed her, liked her, but wasn't giving her what she needed. With a little nudge from Naomi, Ruth seduces him at the threshing floor.
 
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the_man said:
No. Ruth seduced her future husband to pursue her. Read Ruth 2-4, it's pretty clear. Boaz noticed her, liked her, but wasn't giving her what she needed. With a little nudge from Naomi, Ruth seduces him at the threshing floor.

Isn't the act of seduction a form of persuing in itself, though? You don't become a piece of meat in front of a tiger unless you want to get eaten.
 
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TriptychR said:
Isn't the act of seduction a form of persuing in itself, though? You don't become a piece of meat in front of a tiger unless you want to get eaten.

Another good question. If you want to view it that way then be my guest. It will only lead to questions of what we mean by pursuit, which becomes a semantic issue.

The nature of femininity is to invite and masculinity is to engage. A pursuit with only an invitation will not work. A pursuit with only engagement is doomed from the start. In order for a pursuit to be successful there has to be both an invitation and engagement (the way I used the term for masculinity).

To use your example, the "piece of meat" cannot put itself in the "tigers" mouth.
 
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the_man said:
Another good question. If you want to view it that way then be my guest. It will only lead to questions of what we mean by pursuit, which becomes a semantic issue.

Not a semantic issue at all. It's the very heart of this thread.

I do find it interesting, though, that you spent several lines trying to further define what you call a semantic issue! :D
 
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the_man

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OhhJim said:
Not a semantic issue at all. It's the very heart of this thread.

Ofcourse it is. Some might say that Ruth pursued Boaz. I say she seduced him. We are both looking the same story but using different words to assign meaning to her actions.

OhhJim said:
I do find it interesting, though, that you spent several lines trying to further define what you call a semantic issue! :D

In order to avoid needless arguements, I had to. :)
 
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fritz85 said:
He WAS giving her what she needed...

When I said he wasn't giving her what she needed, this is what I meant: he showed her kindness and favor, which was appreciated, but in the long run, she needed a husband. The social state she and Naomi were in was not one to envy, especially in the time they lived in. She needed a husband to provide for her, commit to her, not a really nice guy that gave her work.

fritz85 said:
She didn't seduce him *snip* and HE chose to take it further. I just read it...my friend Mary Jane agrees with this.

Ruth 3:1-4

1 One day Naomi her mother-in-law said to her, "My daughter, should I not try to find a home for you, where you will be well provided for? 2 Is not Boaz, with whose servant girls you have been, a kinsman of ours? Tonight he will be winnowing barley on the threshing floor. 3 Wash and perfume yourself, and put on your best clothes. Then go down to the threshing floor, but don't let him know you are there until he has finished eating and drinking. 4 When he lies down, note the place where he is lying. Then go and uncover his feet and lie down. He will tell you what to do."


We should not ignore this. I don't think the above incident played a small part in his "choosing" to take it further. As I said, she invited and he engaged.

But some of you might sit uneasy when I use the word 'seduce' because of the implications it has in our world today. Make not the mistake that I'm implying something happened at the threshing floor other than what was recorded. The act of kindness was part of the seduction. The perfuming and best clothes was not a minor role either.
 
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