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Reincarnation fascinates me. I just don't understand how that can happen without a superior being. You must believe in a soul, or other whatever you want to call it, that enters another unborn baby. Where did that soul or whatever come from? What are the rules?? Why would a person choose to be a victim in their next life?? I know you don't believe what I do, but go with me on this for a moment. One reason people believe in reincarnation is that they can have visions of past lives. Now if I am right (that is Christians) and there is a fallen angel named Satan and he has many legions of demons (also fallen angels) with him. What would stop them from telling people about past events, after all they would have been present and would know all the facts. I will give you another example, I can't remember what the correct name for this is, but there is a study the government has been involved in. They have people who try to invision what is going on at a distant location. Often these people can do so, and it is proved later by people who were at the location these people described. Again, that makes sense to me, since demons can give those visions to people. My point is that I can believe that people have very real experiences, but I explain those experiences much differently than others do
 

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With reincarnation, demons wouldn't have to tell the person that they were once Cleopatra, but just some charlatan. People want to hear that they were once important, believe that there is something more than just this finite world.

Hinduism believes in karma, a cycle of death and rebirth. If one looks at nature, one can see it: The is the fall, the "dying" of plants, the death of winter, and the reincarnation of spring. The soul wishes to return to the body to enjoy the pleasures of the world. When the soul grows weary of these pleasures and seeks something higher, the pleasures disappear, and the soul stops being reborn, and becomes one of Happiness and Peace of the One.

Buddhist believes that one chooses each life to learn, and evolve.
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Do you Buddhists believe in rebirth as an animal in the next life? Are you going to be a dog or a cow in the future? Does the soul transmigrate into the body of another person or some animal? What is the difference between transmigration and reincarnation? Is it the same as rebirth? Is karma the same as fate? These and a hundred similar questions are often put to me.

A gross misunderstanding of about Buddhism exists today, especially in the notion of reincarnation. The common misunderstanding is that a person has led countless previous lives, usually as an animal, but somehow in this life he is born as a human being and in the next life he will be reborn as an animal, depending on the kind of life he has lived.

This misunderstanding arises because people usually do not know-how to read the sutras or sacred writings. It is said that the Buddha left 84,000 teachings; the symbolic figure represents the diverse backgrounds characteristics, tastes, etc. of the people. The Buddha taught according to the mental and spiritual capacity of each individual. For the simple village folks living during the time of the Buddha, the doctrine of reincarnation was a powerful moral lesson. Fear of birth into the animal world must have frightened many people from acting like animals in this life. If we take this teaching literally today we are confused because we cannot understand it rationally.

Herein lies our problem. A parable, when taken literally, does not make sense to the modern mind. Therefore we must learn to differentiate the parables and myths from actuality. However, if we learn to go beyond or transcend the parables and myths, we will be able to understand the truth.

People will say "If such is the case why not speak directly so that we will be able to come to an immediate grasp of the truth?" This statement is understandable, but truth is often inexpressible. [Ed comment: we as human beings are limited in understanding "Buddha Knowledge". We cannot speak TRUTH, only words ABOUT Truth] Thus, writers and teachers have often resorted to the language of the imagination to lead the reader from a lower to a higher truth. The doctrine of reincarnation is often understood in this light.

What Reincarnation is Not

Reincarnation is not a simple physical birth of a person; for instance, John being reborn as a cat in the next life. In this case John possesses an immortal soul which transforms to the form of a cat after his death. This cycle is repeated over and over again. Or if he is lucky, he will be reborn as a human being. This notion of the transmigration of the soul definitely does not exist in Buddhism.

Karma

Karma is a Sanskrit word from the root "Kri" to do or to make and simply means "action." It operates in the universe as the continuous chain reaction of cause and effect. It is not only confined to causation in the physical sense but also it has moral implications. "A good cause, a good effect; a bad cause a bad effect" is a common saying. In this sense karma is a moral law.

Now human beings are constantly giving off physical and spiritual forces in all directions. In physics we learn that no energy is ever lost; only that it changes form. This is the common law of conservation of energy. Similarly, spiritual and mental action is never lost. It is transformed. Thus Karma is the law of the conservation of moral energy.

By actions, thoughts, and words, man is releasing spiritual energy to the universe and he is in turn affected by influences coming in his direction. Man is therefore the sender and receiver of all these influences. The entire circumstances surrounding him is his karma.

With each action-influence he sends out and at the same time, receives, he is changing. This changing personality and the world he lives in, constitute the totality of his karma.

Karma should not be confused with fate. Fate is the notion that man's life is preplanned for him by some external power, and he has no control over his destiny. Karma on the other hand, can be changed. Because man is a conscious being he can be aware of his karma and thus strive to change the course of events. In the Dhammapada we find the following words, "All that we are is a result of what we have thought, it is founded on our thoughts and made up of our thoughts."

What we are, then, is entirely dependent on what we think. Therefore, the nobility of man's character is dependent on his"good" thoughts, actions, and words. At the same time, if he embraces degrading thoughts, those thoughts invariably influence him into negative words and actions.

The World

Traditionally, Buddhism teaches the existence of the ten realms of being. At the top is Buddha and the scale descends as follows: Bodhisattva (an enlightened being destined to be a Buddha, but purposely remaining on earth to teach others), Pratyeka Buddha (a Buddha for himself), Sravka (direct disciple of Buddha), heavenly beings (superhuman [angels?]), human beings, Asura (fighting spirits), beasts, Preta (hungry ghosts), and depraved men (hellish beings).

Now, these ten realms may be viewed as unfixed, nonobjective worlds, as mental and spiritual states of mind. These states of mind are created by men's thoughts, actions, and words. In other words, psychological states. These ten realms are "mutually immanent and mutually inclusive, each one having in it the remaining nine realms." For example, the realm of human beings has all the other nine states (from hell to Buddhahood). Man is at the same time capable of real selfishness, creating his own hell, or is truly compassionate, reflecting the compassion of Amida Buddha. Buddhas too have the other nine realms in their minds, for how can a Buddha possibly save those in hell if he himself does not identify with their suffering and guide them to enlightenment.

The Lesson

We can learn a valuable lesson from the teaching of reincarnation.

In what realm do you now live? If you are hungry for power, love, and self-recognition, you live in the Preta world, or hungry ghosts. If you are motivated only by thirsts of the human organism, you are existing in the world of the beast.

Consider well then your motives and intentions. Remember that man is characteristically placed at the midpoint of the ten stages; he can either lower himself abruptly or gradually into hell or through discipline, cultivation and the awakening of faith rise to the Enlightened state of the Buddha.


I was mugged in Minneapolis, and by some miracle, didn't die, nor was brain damaged, but hurt very badly for about 2-3 weeks. Why did I choose this life?
It has taught me. It has made me face a really violent event first hand. It has forced me to look at it, to think about it, realize the impact it had on me emotionally. It has really challenged me to overcome fear, and challenge me to forgive someone who could probably left me for dead to get a small amount of money, probably for drugs. It has challenged me to have understanding, compassion, forgiveness, forgiveness of self for being unable to do anything to prevent it, and mercy.

It has made me less naive about my environment, and those in it, more aware, more alert, turning and looking directly at those behind me, getting a very good look at there face.

A Christian asked me, "What if you are wrong, and there is no reincarnation?" I said, "Then I was wrong. What if you are wrong?" He said, "I'm not."

See the difference? I find it curious that Christians talk so much about the Eternal Life in Heaven because of Jesus, and yet, mourn so much about death, fear it, don't talk about it so that it sneaks up and says, "Boo!!!" when it happens.

As a Buddhist, one of the meditations one should do is to meditate on death. I simply acknowledge the finite, temporariness of my body, think of my last breath, and then look back. What do I want to have accomplished? What do I want to complete? Who do I want to be?

It's kind of like the 5 and 10 year plan. Those who don't do it rarely find they meet their goals and dreams, while people who have a 5 or 10 year plan have an action plan, know what there goal clearly is, and take small steps each day toward it. At the 5 year mark, they again re-assess.

However, Christians often feel uncomfortable when speaking of death. They see it as a permanence, a separation from the deceased. They don't see it as part of life to welcome and accept, but a curse, a punishment for sin.

When I walk around in nature, however, I marvel at the leaves turning color, falling to the earth, becoming soil, and feeding the tree, and constant birth and rebirth. Even when I go to sleep, a pseudodeath each night, I wake up, reincarnated, rejuvenated, fresh, ready for a new day, a new experience, a new lesson.

My father passed this summer, and strangely, I didn't cry much. I can't say that we were ever that close, but I simply didn't see death as permanent, but rather, not unlike when he would nod off watching the Cubs games. A couple of times here in Toronto, I felt my Dad's Spirit, the kind of feeling where you look up because you feel the person in the room, even turn around, as if you felt someone's eyes on you. It was a good feeling, one of love being given. It felt like my Dad, but even warmer, more gentle, healed from whatever happened during the war. And even as he was lowered in the ground, it felt only like someone who takes the subway 15 minutes before you, but waits for you to arrive.

Children talk about this sometimes:
Many children remember their past lives-spontaneously, without hypnosis or prompting. Some as young as two and still in diapers blurt out, "I remember when I died before" or "My other mommy had curly hair". They often describe details that they had no way of learning in this life. Some remember startling personal details of relatives who died before they were born.
http://www.childpastlives.org/childrenspastlives.htm

The coolest story that I heard was when a columnist in Minneapolis printed about a concerned mother whose son sometimes talked about "his other mommy" who also had blonde hair, and they lived in a town in Germany. The columnist asked other parents if they experienced this as well, and the response was overwhelming.

One boy described cobblestone streets, palm trees, and an island. (He described Hawaii to a T, and lived there in the 50s before it became a state of the US.)
My favorite was the 4 year old who seemed to space out for a minute, mindlessly moving around his mash potatoes. The mother said, "Don't play with you food." He looked up with, what the mother said, "old eyes", and said, "I'm sorry. I've just been doing this for soooo long, and I'm tired." A few seconds later, he was busy eating and chatting again, the "old eyes" gone.
 
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I find this passage interesting in the Bible:
Mark 8:
27 And Jesus went on with his disciples, to the villages of Caesare'a Philip'pi; and on the way he asked his disciples, "Who do men say that I am?" 28 And they told him, "John the Baptist; and others say, Eli'jah; and others one of the prophets." 29 And he asked them, "But who do you say that I am?" Peter answered him, "You are the Christ."

If Jesus was one of the prophets or Elijah, then the disciple was saying that some believe that Jesus was the reincarnation of one of these people.
 
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I find this passage interesting in the Bible:
Mark 8:
27 And Jesus went on with his disciples, to the villages of Caesare'a Philip'pi; and on the way he asked his disciples, "Who do men say that I am?" 28 And they told him, "John the Baptist; and others say, Eli'jah; and others one of the prophets." 29 And he asked them, "But who do you say that I am?" Peter answered him, "You are the Christ."

If Jesus was one of the prophets or Elijah, then the disciple was saying that some believe that Jesus was the reincarnation of one of these people.
Not so - enoch and elijah never tasted death so wouldnt be being reincarnated. The bible says it is apointed once for all men to die and then the judgment. There will be 2 witnesses in Israel preaching to the lost at the time of the end and i believe it will be those 2. The people at the time of Christ assumed it was Elijah because they understood that he would return as well (and will but hasnt yet happened)
 
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First: Why "or" in the OP?

Second: The thing that confuses me about reincarnation is the fact that the global population continues to increase. Where do all these new souls come from if they are recycled?
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Another good question along with the always need for someone to be harming someone else so another person could work off their past life issues in victim state. An endless cycle like that could never result in enlightenment for the human race as a whole like is claimed.
 
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I've never liked reincarnation, because of the implications it has for blaming the victims for being victimized. "Oh, you're an eight year old that was born with some horrible genetic defect that means you'll die horribly within a year? Serves you right, you must have been a horrible person in your previous life."

Basically, it allows you to imagine bad things that the person MUST have done, but you don't need any evidence that they did them, other than that they are currently suffering. And therefore they deserve to suffer and you shouldn't stop it because it's JUSTICE.
 
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I've never liked reincarnation, because of the implications it has for blaming the victims for being victimized. "Oh, you're an eight year old that was born with some horrible genetic defect that means you'll die horribly within a year? Serves you right, you must have been a horrible person in your previous life."

Basically, it allows you to imagine bad things that the person MUST have done, but you don't need any evidence that they did them, other than that they are currently suffering. And therefore they deserve to suffer and you shouldn't stop it because it's JUSTICE.


That's a simplistic view of re-incarnation, and bad things happening to others like this doesn't meant they were bad in another life. Sometimes bad things do happen to people for a reason; maybe it's the parents that were bad and being taught a lesson with their child being born this way, and having to deal with the pain of their child passing on like this. However, the child will be reincarnated into someone or something else much better.

Think of Karma like a bank account. You always wanna be in the black and not the red and it's continually transferring. The more good you do, the more in the black you'll be and that much closer to being in "Heaven". The more bad stuff you do, the more you have to be reborn in order to reach Heaven.

http://www.sanatansociety.org/
 
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Another good question along with the always need for someone to be harming someone else so another person could work off their past life issues in victim state. An endless cycle like that could never result in enlightenment for the human race as a whole like is claimed.

You don't believe so?
Look at the US:
In 1800, they saw nothing wrong with kidnapping Africans, making them slaves, beating them, taking them from family, not allowing them to speak even their own language, and thought nothing of raping or even killing them.

Have we not evolved?

Children were once put in factories to work full shifts.
Have we not evolved?

In Salem, people had witch trials, often killing those who would not "confess" to being a witch, mostly because no such thing exists. Sometimes, they were even burned alive.

We haven't evolved?

Women were once thought not worthy of holding the same positions as men, nor capable, or even allowed to vote.

In 1950, people thought nothing wrong of segregation, keeping blacks and others out of White establishments, including churches.

The KKK, in 1963, bombed a (black) Baptist church, killing 4 girls, ages 11-14. One man was arrested, and only charged $100 for possession of dynamite, and 1 year in jail, innocent of murder. He and the others responsible were not really brought to justice until we, as a society, evolved, 45 years later.

Gay people were once gay bashed for fun, and police looked the other way, often not prosecuting the suspects, but now, it shocks people, disturbs people, is not simply shrugged away.

I would say that we've come a long way from accepted slavery and what we believe today.
 
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Second: The thing that confuses me about reincarnation is the fact that the global population continues to increase. Where do all these new souls come from if they are recycled?

If there's only a fixed number of souls, how has the world population increased?

This is often heard from people who don't believe in reincarnation. First, if people don't believe in reincarnation, why would they believe in a limited number of souls? However having said that, it is interesting to note that as man's population has increased, the animal kingdom has gradually been decimated - and that is where some mystics say human souls gradually evolve upwards from. (Note the most plentiful forms of life on the planet are insects, and think of the amount of forest humankind has destroyed since the dawn of civilisation.) Also of note, highly advanced Yogis state that life exists on many other places in the unlimited expanse of the universe, in which case the planet Earth would be only one of many places for souls to inhabit.

http://www.geocities.com/richard_holmes/reincarnation/faq.htm#c1
 
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Another good question along with the always need for someone to be harming someone else so another person could work off their past life issues in victim state.

With all due respect, I think this as insightful as one who says of Christianity: "If I eat Christ's body and drink his blood, I am simply a cannibal." It's a little deeper than that, but to understand that, you have to understand what the Eucharist is all about, understand the basic concept of the Resurrection.

Access to the internet will show a number of sites that explain misconceptions (Buddhists don't worship Buddha; Karma is not "punishment"; Emptying oneself does not mean to meditating on nothing).

Most people believe in karma:
If you spend a lot of time lying, people will think you are a liar. It's no more punishment than saying you head hurting a lot is punishment for running it into a wall. It's simply cause and effect.

Starting with the very basic meaning, one can see that Karma means "action."

Here is a very easy to understand explanation of karma:

Karma
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Thanissaro Bhikkhu

Karma is one of those words we don't translate. Its basic meaning is simple enough — action — but because of the weight the Buddha's teachings give to the role of action, the Sanskrit word karma packs in so many implications that the English word action can't carry all its luggage. This is why we've simply airlifted the original word into our vocabulary.

But when we try unpacking the connotations the word carries now that it has arrived in everyday usage, we find that most of its luggage has gotten mixed up in transit. In the eyes of most Americans, karma functions like fate — bad fate, at that: an inexplicable, unchangeable force coming out of our past, for which we are somehow vaguely responsible and powerless to fight. "I guess it's just my karma," I've heard people sigh when bad fortune strikes with such force that they see no alternative to resigned acceptance. The fatalism implicit in this statement is one reason why so many of us are repelled by the concept of karma, for it sounds like the kind of callous myth-making that can justify almost any kind of suffering or injustice in the status quo: "If he's poor, it's because of his karma." "If she's been raped, it's because of her karma." From this it seems a short step to saying that he or she deserves to suffer, and so doesn't deserve our help.

This misperception comes from the fact that the Buddhist concept of karma came to the West at the same time as non-Buddhist concepts, and so ended up with some of their luggage. Although many Asian concepts of karma are fatalistic, the early Buddhist concept was not fatalistic at all. In fact, if we look closely at early Buddhist ideas of karma, we'll find that they give even less importance to myths about the past than most modern Americans do.

For the early Buddhists, karma was non-linear and complex. Other Indian schools believed that karma operated in a simple straight line, with actions from the past influencing the present, and present actions influencing the future. As a result, they saw little room for free will. Buddhists, however, saw that karma acts in multiple feedback loops, with the present moment being shaped both by past and by present actions; present actions shape not only the future but also the present. Furthermore, present actions need not be determined by past actions. In other words, there is free will, although its range is somewhat dictated by the past. The nature of this freedom is symbolized in an image used by the early Buddhists: flowing water. Sometimes the flow from the past is so strong that little can be done except to stand fast, but there are also times when the flow is gentle enough to be diverted in almost any direction.

So, instead of promoting resigned powerlessness, the early Buddhist notion of karma focused on the liberating potential of what the mind is doing with every moment. Who you are — what you come from — is not anywhere near as important as the mind's motives for what it is doing right now. Even though the past may account for many of the inequalities we see in life, our measure as human beings is not the hand we've been dealt, for that hand can change at any moment. We take our own measure by how well we play the hand we've got. If you're suffering, you try not to continue the unskillful mental habits that would keep that particular karmic feedback going. If you see that other people are suffering, and you're in a position to help, you focus not on their karmic past but your karmic opportunity in the present: Someday you may find yourself in the same predicament that they're in now, so here's your opportunity to act in the way you'd like them to act toward you when that day comes.

This belief that one's dignity is measured, not by one's past, but by one's present actions, flew right in the face of the Indian traditions of caste-based hierarchies, and explains why early Buddhists had such a field day poking fun at the pretensions and mythology of the brahmans. As the Buddha pointed out, a brahman could be a superior person not because he came out of a brahman womb, but only if he acted with truly skillful intentions.

We read the early Buddhist attacks on the caste system, and aside from their anti-racist implications, they often strike us as quaint. What we fail to realize is that they strike right at the heart of our myths about our own past: our obsession with defining who we are in terms of where we come from — our race, ethnic heritage, gender, socio-economic background, sexual preference — our modern tribes. We put inordinate amounts of energy into creating and maintaining the mythology of our tribe so that we can take vicarious pride in our tribe's good name. Even when we become Buddhists, the tribe comes first. We demand a Buddhism that honors our myths.

From the standpoint of karma, though, where we come from is old karma, over which we have no control. What we "are" is a nebulous concept at best — and pernicious at worst, when we use it to find excuses for acting on unskillful motives. The worth of a tribe lies only in the skillful actions of its individual members. Even when those good people belong to our tribe, their good karma is theirs, not ours. And, of course, every tribe has its bad members, which means that the mythology of the tribe is a fragile thing. To hang onto anything fragile requires a large investment of passion, aversion, and delusion, leading inevitably to more unskillful actions on into the future.

So the Buddhist teachings on karma, far from being a quaint relic from the past, are a direct challenge to a basic thrust — and basic flaw — in our culture. Only when we abandon our obsession with finding vicarious pride in our tribal past, and can take actual pride in the motives that underlie our present actions, can we say that the word karma, in its Buddhist sense, has recovered its luggage. And when we open the luggage, we'll find that it's brought us a gift: the gift we give ourselves and one another when we drop our myths about who we are, and can instead be honest about what we're doing with each moment — at the same time making the effort to do it right.

http://buddhism.about.com/gi/dynami...insight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/karma.html
 
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I often view Buddhism from a Christian lens, being trained so vigorously in it. Christianity says to do good works in secret, storing up your treasures in heaven, rather than earth. It says to cast your bread upon the water, and it will come back to you 3 fold. The man who uses his talents to gain more is rewarded. The sheep who feed and care for their neighbor are thanked and rewarded afterward.

The idea isn't completely foreign.

A friend of mine was a Buddhist when I was in my 20s. It was a new group, and told that they could have whatever they wanted simply by willing it (pre The Secret). So, they chanted and meditated for money, good jobs, A's on their test, a nice car, a handsome boyfriend. When they had a guest speaker from the East, he was very upset. He said that they were misguided, and should not be chanting and meditating on material worth. Material attachments is one of the reasons for suffering. Rather, they should be chanting for love, for peace, for purity of mind and soul.

Again, not that different than many parts of Christianity.
 
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Reincarnation fascinates me. I just don't understand how that can happen without a superior being. You must believe in a soul, or other whatever you want to call it, that enters another unborn baby. Where did that soul or whatever come from? What are the rules?? Why would a person choose to be a victim in their next life?? I know you don't believe what I do, but go with me on this for a moment. One reason people believe in reincarnation is that they can have visions of past lives. Now if I am right (that is Christians) and there is a fallen angel named Satan and he has many legions of demons (also fallen angels) with him. What would stop them from telling people about past events, after all they would have been present and would know all the facts. I will give you another example, I can't remember what the correct name for this is, but there is a study the government has been involved in. They have people who try to invision what is going on at a distant location. Often these people can do so, and it is proved later by people who were at the location these people described. Again, that makes sense to me, since demons can give those visions to people. My point is that I can believe that people have very real experiences, but I explain those experiences much differently than others do


If we can "inherit" physical aspects from our ancestors from the DNA encoded, why couldn't we "feel" things they felt?

Isn't instinct living a past life?

It appears thoughts, feelings and ideas, can come through the genetic code.

An older relative sees you drawing art and says, "Wow, that looks just like your great uncle Stanley's work. How fascinating."
 
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Two points to make here:

First, read up on past life regression and look more skeptically at it.

Second, karma isn't a punishment/reward system -- it's cause and effect.

We have the story of one of the Buddha's Arahats, who being blind, in walking up and down unwittingly killed a number of insects. [The Buddhist regards the destruction of life as the most shocking crime.] His brother Arahats inquired as to how this was, and Buddha spun them a long yarn as to how, in a previous incarnation, he had maliciously deprived a woman of her sight. This is only a fairy tale, a bogey to frighten the children, and probably the worst way of influencing the young yet devised by human stupidity.

Karma does not work in this way at all.

In any case moral fables have to be very carefully constructed, or they may prove dangerous to those who use them.

You will remember Bunyan's Passion and Patience: naughty Passion played with all this toys and broke them, good little Patience put them carefully aside. Bunyan forgets to mention that by the time Passion had broken all his toys, he had outgrown them.

Karma does not act in this tit-for-tat-way. An eye for an eye is a sort of savage justice, and the idea of justice in our human sense is quite foreign to the constitution of the Universe.
 
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