Just like to know how many of your churches practice the following:
1) Psalms only singing
2) No musical instruments
1) Psalms only singing
2) No musical instruments
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Just like to know how many of your churches practice the following:
1) Psalms only singing
2) No musical instruments
Not mine. But we do make a joyful noise unto the Lord!
[bible]Psalm 100:1-5[/bible]
What about
Psalm 98:5-6
5 Sing unto the LORD with the harp; with the harp, and the voice of a psalm.
6 With trumpets and sound of cornet make a joyful noise before the LORD, the King.
Contrary to current popular thinking, the Regulative Principle of Worship was never intended to be merely limited to restricting the music of the church to the Psalms without instrumental accompaniment.
The RPW is of course far broader than these two elements, but the RPW does remove instruments from the public worship and it also restricts praise to inspired songs.
And who is to determine what is "inspired"?
I think that lots of modern songs have brought people to Christ, and, IMO, that makes them "inspired".
I don't want to debate the definition of inspired in this thread, but if one of the jobs of the Holy Spirit is to lead people to Christ, then He has to be alive today doing His work. If you are implying that only the closed canon can be inspired, then I disagree with you. And if you are implying that if something is inspired it has to be in the canon, then I disagree with you again.
The Church which it has done and the canon is now closed.
Are you saying that the writers of these songs are writing 'God-breathed' songs?
http://homepage.mac.com/shanerosenthal/reformationink/bbwauthority.htm
If one were to take an extreme position on the RPW, one might conclude that sermons are forbidden unless they were the mere reading of scripture without any explanation or comment, because such things are outside the canon of scripture.
The reality is that the canon of scripture does contain those two troubling verses (Eph. 5:19 and Col. 3:16). If God, the Holy Spirit, intended His church to sing only the Psalms, why did He also mention odes and hymns?
Not at all, and if someone was to argue along those lines then they clearly do not understand the RPW. There are a number of different elements of worship - prayer, preaching, reading the word, singing. These are distinctive elements and are regulated in accordance with their type. So the minister is to preach using his own words but he is to preach Scripture not what happened in The Daily Telegraph two days ago. Prayer is also free in terms of wording but we have been given the Lord's Prayer to help us pattern our prayers. Singing has been restricted to psalms as God has made clear.
The titles "psalms", "hymns" and "songs" are all titles of the Psalms. Psalms refer obviously to psalms; hymns refer to psalms for as
John Gill wrote, "I take hymns to be but another name for the book of psalms; for the running title of that book may as well be, the book of hymns, as of psalms" but what of spiritual songs? A simple glance at the titles of a number of psalms will find them called songs as are Psalms 18, 30, 45, 46, 48, 65-68, 75, 76, 83, 87, 92, 108, and 120-134. They are called spiritual because they were written by the Spirit of God (2 Peter 1:21) and composed for spiritual edification. Do you find it odd that St. Paul would use three different words in one sentence to describe the same thing? I would point out that this is done in a number of places including Genesis 26:5, Exodus 34:7, Deuteronomy 8:11, 1 Kings 2:3, Nehemiah 1:7 and Acts 2:22. The use of three different terms to describe the same thing is a common Hebraic linguistic form:
Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
Exo 34:7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.
Deu 8:11 Beware that thou forget not the LORD thy God, in not keeping his commandments, and his judgments, and his statutes, which I command thee this day:
1Ki 2:3 And keep the charge of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, to keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his judgments, and his testimonies, as it is written in the law of Moses, that thou mayest prosper in all that thou doest, and whithersoever thou turnest thyself:
Neh 1:7 We have dealt very corruptly against thee, and have not kept the commandments, nor the statutes, nor the judgments, which thou commandedst thy servant Moses.
Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
In both Matthew 26:30 and Mark 14:26 we find it written that when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives. What does it mean by hymn? This was a part of the Egyptian Hallel which begins at Psalm 113 and ends with Psalm 118 and which the Jews sang at the Feast of the Passover.
There is, unfortunately, a great divergence of thought concerning what it means to "preach scripture."
Likewise, prayer covers a wide range of possibilities such as worship, thanksgiving, supplication, petition, etc.
The Regulative Principle, by contrast, simple states that whatever is not given in scripture is not to be followed.
The Puritans forebade the use of a lighted fire on the Sabbath in the meeting house or in the home because such work broke the Sabbath.
Later, when umbrellas were invented, they were condemned using the same principle, with the argument being that rain, like God's grace, is not to be hindered.
The interpretation of psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs as being the Psalms (which are hymns and spiritual songs) is grammatically unsupportable.
Likewise, the exclusion of instrumental accompaniment in the singing of the Psalms is especially egregious in light of the use of such accompaniment given within the Psalms themselves.
To assert that instrumental accompaniment ceased by the first century requires extrabiblical revelation...
If they were to project the idea that all worship required only inspired texts as you just did for one part of worship, then prayer, preaching, and singing would all require texts direct from Scripture.Not at all, and if someone was to argue along those lines then they clearly do not understand the RPW.
So demonstrate how Scripture distinguishes the song type as being specially preventive of nonScriptural text.There are a number of different elements of worship - prayer, preaching, reading the word, singing. These are distinctive elements and are regulated in accordance with their type.
Scripture did not restrict singing to psalms.So the minister is to preach using his own words but he is to preach Scripture not what happened in The Daily Telegraph two days ago. Prayer is also free in terms of wording but we have been given the Lord's Prayer to help us pattern our prayers. Singing has been restricted to psalms as God has made clear.
They don't. Psalms in Greek are "songs accompanied with stringed instruments" -- they are very clearly not limited to the Psalms in Scripture. There are only a few places with contextual warrant for pointing to Old Testament Psalms (e.g. an Apostles allusion to "the Psalm"). "Hymns" and "songs" aren't simply titles for OT Psalms, and they wouldn't mean that to newbie Greek believers. These aren't religious words: you'd sing a psalm as readily at a play as at a worship service.The titles "psalms", "hymns" and "songs" are all titles of the Psalms. “Psalms” refer obviously to psalms;
I comprehend his view, sure. If you went to a Mass back then (even now in some groups) and saw its complexity and how badly the Gospel is obscured by ceremony, you'd come out agreeing with Calvin.John Calvin:
There is a distinction, however, to be observed here, that we may not indiscriminately consider as applicable to ourselves, every thing which was formerly enjoined upon the Jews. I have no doubt that playing upon cymbals, touching the harp and the viol, and all that kind of music, which is so frequently mentioned in the Psalms, was a part of the education; that is to say, the puerile instruction of the law: I speak of the stated service of the temple. For even now, if believers choose to cheer themselves with musical instruments, they should, I think, make it their object not to dissever their cheerfulness from the praises of God. But when they frequent their sacred assemblies, musical instruments in celebrating the praises of God would be no more suitable than the burning of incense, the lighting up of lamps, and the restoration of the other shadows of the law.
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/calvin/calcom08.xxxix.i.html
Bucer, Zwingli and Calvin reduced public worship events back to their necessities so that real worship could be rediscovered.
Calvin and Zwingli both sang other devotional texts outside the Psalms though.