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True. The rule is not "is it popular" the rule is "does the Bible condone... or condemn it"
-- "Sola scriptura" testing of all doctrine and tradition
The proper test of all doctrine and tradition is whether or not it is accepted by the one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
All Orthodox doctrine is Biblically based and justified.
Root of Jesse said: ↑
I find that hard to believe. Where's the table of contents of your Bible come from?
Is it your claim that the Bible refutes the table of contents - or that the table of contents is condemned by the Bible??
I believe his point is rather the same that I have made, that the table of contents of the Bible is Tradition, since no actual book of the NT or OT provides a list of all the other valid books.
Again - you miss the point of the response. "Sola Scriptura" testing is done to determine if something is in harmony with -- or contradicts the Word of God.
If your claim is that the "index" to the Bible fails that test - you will need to show how that is so.
Once again, the Word of God is Jesus Christ (John 1:1-14).
The scriptures do not contain a table of contents;
BobRyan said: ↑
Again - you miss the point of the response. "Sola Scriptura" testing is done to determine if something is in harmony with -- or contradicts the Word of God.
If your claim is that the "index" to the Bible fails that test - you will need to show how that is so.
rather this is provided in the case of the New Testament by St. Athanasius. St. Athanasius was an enthusiastic supporter of monasticism,
That constitutes "proper" according to the one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.The proper test of all doctrine and tradition is whether or not it is accepted by the one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
For those who believe the bible is not sufficient for salvific purposes, you'd have to follow the path rejected in the NT and in tradition at least since Irenaeus' time (c190). You'd have to think you/your denomination may improve on the apostles (AH III 1).
Of course you'll answer but my church only follows what the apostles said. But when asked to show that, they point to the bible and then to books written centuries after the apostles, thus still trying to improve on them. Besides, each of the churches that follow extra biblical teachings have all ended up with diametrically opposed salvific doctrines.
Scripture alone is sufficient for all things salvific. To assert otherwise is to believe God in His wisdom somehow forgot to inform the apostles of certain items so that we might be saved.
Hearsay.So, what about all the miracles and teachings of Jesus that were not recorded? I believe they were handed down verbally through the ages. Via the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit that is alive today in the Catholic church!
Hearsay.
Right.John 21:25Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
25 But there are also many other things which Jesus did; were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.
What "little myth"? I never cited a "little myth". The Church cannot change doctrine. Period. The Church has not junked Purgatory, officially or otherwise. It's just not true. The fact is that you will be refined as gold is refined-in fire. The fact is that, if you're in Purgatory, you're going to heaven. You really don't know how the Catholic Church works. That's very obvious.That was part of my earlier post. The church cannot change Purgatory without jeopardizing that little myth you just cited, but neither can it keep people believing in something like it's doctrine of Purgatory. As a result, it has unofficially junked it by constantly talking about Purgatory in non-traditional and almost benign terms, and that's something that's done from the Pope on down.
The fact is that the Table of Contents, the Canon of Scripture, is not Biblical.Is it your claim that the Bible refutes the table of contents - or that the table of contents is condemned by the Bible??
Neither do Catholics, though people, from Cardinals down to laity, would like to. The Church will not change its doctrine. People will fall away.The Orthodox do not.
Right.
Nothing specific mentioned in authoritative writing, so specifics are hearsay.
Suggesting God or The Church gave us an inadequate publication? In what respect?
You cannot demonstrate it to anyone but a Protestant's satisfaction.BobRyan said: ↑
I do get that sometimes from people that have not read her books.
She wrote - that she did believe in the Bible as the rule for testing all doctrine.
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"The Bible, and the Bible alone, is to be the rule of our faith. It is a leaf from the tree of life, and by eating it, by receiving it into our minds, we shall grow strong to do the will of God. By our Christlike characters we shall show that we believe the word, that we cleave to the Bible as the only guide to heaven. So shall we be living epistles, known and read of all men, bearing a living testimony to the power of true religion. {RH May 4, 1897, par. 9}"
If that were true you would welcome the opportunity to demonstrate the "sola scriptura" test shows that tradition , that doctrine - to be valid -- instead of opposing sola-scriptura testing with every post.
The proof to the contrary is in your own posted solution.
As I have said many times, every doctrine we have is Scripture tested and proven. Every doctrine we have is also proven by Sacred Tradition.Again - you miss the point of the response. "Sola Scriptura" testing is done to determine if something is in harmony with -- or contradicts the Word of God.
If your claim is that the "index" to the Bible fails that test - you will need to show how that is so.
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