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Alexandria and the British Isles are recorded as observing the 14th. You're simply misinformed, relying on traditions of men.The Quartodecimians celebrated Pascha based on 14 Nisan as the date of the Crucifixion. There are no records of this being the normal practice outside of the Roman province of Asia Minor (which does notabky include Ephesus and Smyrna, but which excludes the more important sees of Antioch, Rome and Alexandria, which were the major urban centers of Christianity after the destruction of Jerusalem).
You've yet to name three of those oral Traditions extant in Paul's time.Our Lord did not distinguish between Holy Tradition and Scripture, but rather between Rabinnical-Pharisaic traditions and Holy Tradition inclusive of Scripture, as is corroborated by 2 Thess. 2:15.
Alexandria and the British Isles are recorded as observing the 14th. You're simply misinformed, relying on traditions of men.
You ready to admit Peter and Christ didn't follow your so-called Tradition of observing Easter?
It is very Scriptural, to someone with a complete Bible, even to Protestants.So is purgatory a tradition?And being that it's not scriptual,how do you'll feel it's true?
Okay, so you have nothing of Tradition extant in Paul's time that you observe. This is why some of us use scripture as the rule of faith.There are not Traditions plural but rather one Tradition.
Okay, so you have nothing of Tradition extant in Paul's time that you observe. This is why some of us use scripture as the rule of faith.
Uhm, isn't the didache written? You quoted Paul as saying observe the traditions whether written or oral. You're telling us you know those extant oral traditions. Give it another shot.On the contrary. I can say without equivocation the entire Orthodox Holy Tradition originates with the Apostles.
Now, for some specific examples, lets pop open the Didache (c. 55 AD):
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/didache.html
In Ch. 1-6 we see prototypically Orthodox kerygmatics.
In 7:1-4 we see a summary of Baptism as the Orthodox practice it.
In Ch. 8 we see a summary of Orthodox fasting and also a minimum requirement for daily prayer.
In Ch. 9 and 10 we see a summary of the Eucharist.
In Ch. 14 and 15 we see a summary of essential practices regarding the hierarchy.
The remaining chapters deal with questions specific to the administration of the Apostolic Church, and the discernment of false prophets, principles which are still applied in essence.
Alexandria on the contrary was one of the leaders in the process of standardization of the Julian Paschalion (or Computus in Catholic terminology).
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/hcc4.i.ii.iii.htmlI am inclined to doubt your statement regarding Brittania, but it does not mich matter considering the profound insignifigance of Britain to the early Church; recall that the Romans lost control of the province of Brittania to various primitive tribes, hence St. Gregory the Great having to dispatch St. Augustine of Canterbury to evangelize the Angles and restore the Church in Britain. The British Isles prior to that point were distinguished primarily by giving us the heretic Pelagius, a dubious honor.
It is. But it's not Biblical, is it? Therefore, it's Tradition, because it's of Apostolic origin. Canonicity, for us, mainly means that it can be used in Liturgy.Uhm, isn't the didache written? You quoted Paul as saying observe the traditions whether written or oral. You're telling us you know those extant oral traditions. Give it another shot.
So one person confirms your theory, so it's right? Who is Clement, in terms of his authority to declare dogma?Clement of Alexandria confirms the Quartodeciman view (Christ died on the 14th). About 455 Alexandria would conform to Rome's view.
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/hcc4.i.ii.iii.html
The point remains that the apostles taught the same from Palestine to Alexandria to the Britain area. It was not, as you think, localized to a couple of cities in Asia Minor. In fact, believe it was Telesphorus who allowed/observed it in Rome. He was, I believe, the first pope martyred.
So one person confirms your theory, so it's right? Who is Clement, in terms of his authority to declare dogma?
Yup! Exactly.A discredited heretic (according to St. Photius), who was also struck from the Roman martyrology by Pope Sixtus V.
Scripture did'nt come from tradition,and scripture is not tradition,is that not why Christ seperated the two?
On the contrary, our Lord and His disciples ceased to adhere to the Sabbath
according to Jewish practice; the divorce procedures in Mosaic law were rescinded,
so that now dovorce is essentially equated with adultery
One of the nice things about Orthodoxy is that accusations against us from schismatic heretics (name calling! the horror!) do not really stick due to the tens of millions martyred by Muslims beginning with the Ummayid Caliphate, continuing with the Ottomans and now the Islamic State, and diverse other petty regimes, and by the militant atheist communists of the USSR and other states. This is not to say there are no adventist martyrs; there are a few, but the ratio of martyrs to members is extremely low, whereas in any Orthodox parish one should be able to meet someone whose relative was either a martyr or confessor.
So its very hard to accuse the Orthodox of institutional dishonesty given our record.
What our Lord in fact did was to revise the observance of the Law in accordance with his divine preprogative, voiding certain aspects of Mosaic legislation and introducing new legislation. So for example, the requirements to observe the Sabbath and the Kosher dietary restrictions were waived during and after his Earthly ministry respectively.
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