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We know that the Word of God is sufficient. What we disagree on is what constitutes the Word of God. Does the Holy Spirit's word, which is never written, count? Sola Scriptura is opposed because it is a recent (relatively) innovation which never before had been used.Evidently those extant writings did not closely examine Psalm 119. That Psalm in itself is sufficient evidence that the written Word of God is SOLELY SUFFICIENT for every spiritual need. The only reason Sola Scriptura is opposed is because it brings down the house of cards called "Holy Tradition" or "Sacred Tradition".
If what you say is true, then we would not find a precedent in Scripture indicating that the written Word of God was sufficient. But we do have a very solid precedent (Acts 17:10-13). What was orally preached as "the Word of God" was confirmed only by the written Scriptures (the Tanakh):We know that the Word of God is sufficient. What we disagree on is what constitutes the Word of God. Does the Holy Spirit's word, which is never written, count? Sola Scriptura is opposed because it is a recent (relatively) innovation which never before had been used.
Evidently those extant writings did not closely examine Psalm 119. That Psalm in itself is sufficient evidence that the written Word of God is SOLELY SUFFICIENT for every spiritual need. The only reason Sola Scriptura is opposed is because it brings down the house of cards called "Holy Tradition" or "Sacred Tradition".
I observe turning away. Like being the last dominio, I fell cause the domino beside me fell on me causing me to fall over. Go tips the first domino long time ago. What causes produces effects. The effects causes more effects. Like did the chicken come first for did the egg come first. Did the cause come first or did the effect come first. Free wills are made for the blinds so they can invent thier own religion like yours. If I turned away its because circumstances arranged around me cause me to take vacation. God arranges circumstances and that makes free will impossible. I would probably turn away if I listened to you but it would be your fault but then again God already made you fall.You may think you're just an observer, but you certainly have the free choice to turn away.
If what you say is true, then we would not find a precedent in Scripture indicating that the written Word of God was sufficient. But we do have a very solid precedent (Acts 17:10-13). What was orally preached as "the Word of God" was confirmed only by the written Scriptures (the Tanakh):
10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.
13 But when the Jews of Thessalonica had knowledge that the word of God was preached of Paul at Berea, they came thither also, and stirred up the people.
I observe turning away. Like being the last dominio, I fell cause the domino beside me fell on me causing me to fall over. Go tips the first domino long time ago. What causes produces effects. The effects causes more effects. Like did the chicken come first for did the egg come first. Did the cause come first or did the effect come first. Free wills are made for the blinds so they can invent thier own religion like yours. If I turned away its because circumstances arranged around me cause me to take vacation. God arranges circumstances and that makes free will impossible. I would probably turn away if I listened to you but it would be your fault but then again God already made you fall.
Calvin backed his thoughts with bible quotes. Men can be lost for 1500 years and still lost. Some may always be lost being unregenerated that prevents him from believing.So how is it then that John Calvin did not simply invent his own religion? What does a vindictive Genevan lawyer have on fifteen centuries of authentically pious Christians?
Actually, what you're reporting is that they received the spoken word of God (spoken by Paul). The scriptures they searched were Old Testament.If what you say is true, then we would not find a precedent in Scripture indicating that the written Word of God was sufficient. But we do have a very solid precedent (Acts 17:10-13). What was orally preached as "the Word of God" was confirmed only by the written Scriptures (the Tanakh):
10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.
13 But when the Jews of Thessalonica had knowledge that the word of God was preached of Paul at Berea, they came thither also, and stirred up the people.
So "Go" committed evil by tipping the first domino? Free will impossible? If free will is impossible, then God is a god like the Islamic Allah. Mankind is slave to God. Nope. God is our Father, and he allows us to have what we love the most, whether its's Him or something else.I observe turning away. Like being the last dominio, I fell cause the domino beside me fell on me causing me to fall over. Go tips the first domino long time ago. What causes produces effects. The effects causes more effects. Like did the chicken come first for did the egg come first. Did the cause come first or did the effect come first. Free wills are made for the blinds so they can invent thier own religion like yours. If I turned away its because circumstances arranged around me cause me to take vacation. God arranges circumstances and that makes free will impossible. I would probably turn away if I listened to you but it would be your fault but then again God already made you fall.
I contend that those verses do not in any sense constitute an endorsement of Sola Scriptura, and my contention is aided by the fact that no extant writings from the early church suggest they do;...
Can you demonstrate that your contention in that regard survives the details "in the text"?? Your argument confines itself to avoiding the details in the text so far.
Your appeal to later tradition as your only argument for your POV is hardly satisfying the requirement to sustain your prior claim that "sola scripture does not pass its own test" given that we actually have it in Mark 7 and your only solution is to wait a few hundred years after that for some Catholic council to not notice that detail.
Wouldn't you already have to "be" in the anti-sola-scriptura camp to be satisfied with that sort of proof against Mark 7??
What if the Jews in Mark 7 used your tactic? Entirely avoiding the details in the statements made by Christ in Mark 7 - and simply circling back to their own tradition?
What teaching of Christ "could not be rejected" using such a method??
Alas BobRyan I think you know well that I cannot give you what you want,
because the Orthodox regard the tradition that surrounds the text and the text itself as part of the same tradition.
Your own denominatin Inshould lament to point out regards thenwritings of Ellen G White as an authoritative source of meta-data regarding the scriptural text;
The LXX contained certain books. Jerome translated those books, which were in the LXX, from their original language.
No, you don't.
No, you don't.
No, it doesn't.
God pulls my strings and leads me where he wants me to go. When God is in control, He can guarantee His promises. There are no maverick atom running loose. Not a single one of themSo "Go" committed evil by tipping the first domino? Free will impossible? If free will is impossible, then God is a god like the Islamic Allah. Mankind is slave to God. Nope. God is our Father, and he allows us to have what we love the most, whether its's Him or something else.
In other words, it's your free choice to turn away, and also your choice to turn back. God is not a puppet master.
Correct. And they verified the spoken Word of God with the written Word of God and confirmed that there were no discrepancies. They did not turn to the rabbis ("Holy Tradition") and ask them to confirm the truth of God's Word. Their SOLA SCRIPTURA was the Tanakh.Actually, what you're reporting is that they received the spoken word of God (spoken by Paul). The scriptures they searched were Old Testament.
Correct. And they verified the spoken Word of God with the written Word of God and confirmed that there were no discrepancies. They did not turn to the rabbis ("Holy Tradition") and ask them to confirm the truth of God's Word. Their SOLA SCRIPTURA was the Tanakh.
Someone else is trying to dodge the full import of Psalm 119. David was a prophet, therefore this psalm is actually the words of God written by David, hence it also anticipates the New Testament (where Peter equates ALL of Paul's epistles with Scripture). This psalm is not merely David's musings about the Tanakh. It is the longest psalm in the Bible and its entire focus is the Word of God. When David says "Forever O LORD, thy Word is settled in Heaven" that in itself is a statement to support Sola Scriptura. And we could go into this psalm verse by verse and word by word, and that would be the logical conclusion.
So "Go" committed evil by tipping the first domino? Free will impossible? If free will is impossible, then God is a god like the Islamic Allah. Mankind is slave to God. Nope. God is our Father, and he allows us to have what we love the most, whether its's Him or something else.
In other words, it's your free choice to turn away, and also your choice to turn back. God is not a puppet master.
Calvin backed his thoughts with bible quotes. Men can be lost for 1500 years and still lost. Some may always be lost being unregenerated that prevents him from believing.
RCC killed a L O T of Christians. They invented the burning stake. They were jealous of the true truth being discovered.Yes, except "by their fruits ye shall know them." Calvinism starting with Calvin personally produced bitter wars with Catholics and Lutherans, burnings of witches and so on; the Calvinist countries of Europe were trounced in terms of arts, culture, humanitarian concerns, et cetera, by their Lutheran, Catholic and Orthodox neighbors.
On the other hand, St. Basil the Great invented the modern hospital. St. Athanasius defended the divinity of Christ. Centuries previously, Ss. Ignatius, Polycarp and Justin Martyr humiliated the corrupt principate of Rome.
Indeed -- if all the world is mindless domino simply responding to its environment then God "preprogrammed" ISIS to kill Christians -- they did not actually choose to do it out of anything other than chemistry and pre-programmed directives.
But if God is quite a bit "more infinite" than that -- and can actually create free will intelligent beings - well then ,,, that is another matter altogether, and then God is not the cause and designer of sin - but rather blame is rightly placed on those who choose it.
No BobRyan, my point is that its silly for you to passionately defend something your own denomination disregards.
If you think that Orthodox and RCs elevate tradition above scripture, you are mistaken. It provides interpretive context. Anglicans also use it along with reason to interpret scripture.
So basically like Ellen White in your denomination.
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