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Yikes!
Whatever gave you THAT idea?
I have no problem with Jesus.
People that try to get between me and Him all have a problem.
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Pagan Rome rolled right into papal Rome
Either you are being willfully ignorant or you're not reading the posts
I believe I and other members have addressed you with a fair amount of respect in this discussion. However the majority of your replies have been snide and borderline rude. Instead of answering fair points that have been brought up in reply, your favored tactic appears to snotty remarks. And it's getting tiresome. The above posts look to me to on the brink of violating CF rules.Don't let facts get in the way of reason...
No I don't... our faith does not condone it because it is pagan.
None of those verses say that everything practiced by pagans was wrong.
Read them again.... this time pat attention to what they are saying not what you don't want them to say.
I believe I and other members have addressed you with a fair amount of respect in this discussion. However the majority of your replies have been snide and borderline rude. Instead of answering fair points that have been brought up in reply, your favored tactic appears to snotty remarks. And it's getting tiresome. The above posts look to me to on the brink of violating CF rules.
The next time you shoot your mouth off like the above in this thread, I will report you to a mod so that they can sort you out.
It sounds like you want me to read your traditions into the text.
Tradition is the only way you know that what you have in your hands is Sacred Scripture. The authority of the Church is your first, last and only guarantee that the "Bible" is comprised of God's inspired word. Sola Scriptura is a logical dead end inasmuch as there is no divinely provided table of contents specifying which writings are inspired. Even the ancient Israelites couldn't agree on a universal canon... because their unity was derived from other things (eg, the Temple).
One could have a problem for a number of reasons.I don't see why one would have a problem with the authority of the Papacy if they don't have a problem with the authority of the Apostles or the writers of Scripture. Luke 10:16 doesn't seem to fit with the Sola Scriptura idea, but it does fit with the idea that Christ sends people to authoritatively teach us the oral Word.
Understanding scripture under the guidance of the Holy Spirit is not tradition... it is a revelation of the truth that is written.
One could have a problem for a number of reasons.
Apostles had a chief apostle, and scripture does not name Peter as the one.
Heb.3
1Pet.5
- [1] Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
1Pet.2
- [4] And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.
- [6] Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
Or by first saying that "it was not human understanding that gave you this but a revelation from the Father in heaven" what was being named as solid rock understanding as it is a product not of mankind but in fact a product of the Holy Spirit communicating to the spirit of fallen mankind. Thereby giving the authority to the Father thru the Holy Spirit as it relates to the Son whom Peter recognized as the Son of the living God.According to the Presbyterian author, Francis Wrighte Beare, the keys that Jesus Christ promised to Rock are the keys of the Chief Steward:
http://www.biblicalcatholic.com/apologetics/PeterRockKeysPrimacyRome.htm
I think that by giving Simon the name "Rock", Christ gave His authority to him, making him the Chief Steward of Christ.
Or by first saying that "it was not human understanding that gave you this but a revelation from the Father in heaven" what was being named as solid rock understanding as it is a product not of mankind but in fact a product of the Holy Spirit communicating to the spirit of fallen mankind. Thereby giving the authority to the Father thru the Holy Spirit as it relates to the Son whom Peter recognized as the Son of the living God.
All things in context.
Do you think he gave that right to Peter alone or to those who Peter represented, which is Christ`s church ie: individuals who are also partakers of the Spirit ... it seems to me that the debate can only be confined to those who think that Peter passed the authority on or to those who think that the Holy Spirit passed the authority on. And it seems to me that the Lord said the confines of the book are they which testify of Him...loosely translated.Right, and he says "You are Rock, and upon this rock I will build my Church. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of Heaven. Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven. And whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in Heaven" (Hope I got the quotation exactly right).
Either you are being willfully ignorant or you're not reading the posts... I showed you how pagan Rome and papal Rome are two sides of the same coin... both called themselves Pontifex Maximus. Do you think that was a term given the Catholic church by the protestants like you think the term 'Roman' was given to the Catholics? It's because the Catholic church is just pagan Rome part deux... history proves it.
From the Catholic Encyclopedia:
Typical Catholic confusion.
- As the Blessed Virgin has a separate and absolutely supereminent rank among the saints, the worship paid to her is called hyperdulia (for the meaning and historyof these terms see Suicer, Thesaurus ecclesiasticus, 1728).
Psalms 40:7 relates to Christ doing God`s will according to OT prophesy according to the written wordDo you think he gave that right to Peter alone or to those who Peter represented, which is Christ`s church ie: individuals who are also partakers of the Spirit ... it seems to me that the debate can only be confined to those who think that Peter passed the authority on or to those who think that the Holy Spirit passed the authority on. And it seems to me that the Lord said the confines of the book are they which testify of Him...loosely translated.
Deuteronomy 17:14-15,Do you think he gave that right to Peter alone or to those who Peter represented, which is Christ`s church ie: individuals who are also partakers of the Spirit ... it seems to me that the debate can only be confined to those who think that Peter passed the authority on or to those who think that the Holy Spirit passed the authority on. And it seems to me that the Lord said the confines of the book are they which testify of Him...loosely translated.
Which Old Testament? The canon accepted by the Pharisees? The one accepted by the Essenes which was different from the Pharisees? Or some other canon?You'll always make that claim,you gave the world the bible
I no you'll did'nt but for this question
What about the Old Testament?
Do you think he gave that right to Peter alone or to those who Peter represented, which is Christ`s church
ie: individuals who are also partakers of the Spirit ... it seems to me that the debate can only be confined to those who think that Peter passed the authority on or to those who think that the Holy Spirit passed the authority on.
And it seems to me that the Lord said the confines of the book are they which testify of Him...loosely translated.
Indeed. And the term exists to distinguish veneration given to Our Lady from latria, which is worship, given to God alone.
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