Refuting Israeli talking points (moving)

ContraMundum · Aug 10, 2014

benmaarof said:
Almost 1 million of the 1.8 miilion souls in the Gaza Strip are UN registered refugees displaced when the Israelis drove them off their land.

...and way more of the population of Israel are refugees from Muslim countries...

...your point is?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_3A6_qSBBQ

danny ski · Aug 10, 2014

BaconWizard said:
Citation needed

??? Citation for what? At the end of the WW2 entire populations of East Prussia, Pomerania, both Silesias, etc. were ethnically cleansed and sent back beyond the river Oder. Should they(millions of them and their children and grandchildren) register themselves as refugees? Should I register myself as a refugee? After all my family was wiped out off the land they lived on for centuries.

Zeek · Aug 10, 2014

ContraMundum said:
I can't believe the ridiculous, illogical and convoluted propaganda that our resident Islamist "lovebeingamuslimah" constantly thrusts on this forum.

Get a life already.

Personally it falls smack bang into the middle of my expectancy and my experience...I have never been taken by surprise at the answers from anti-Israel Islamists...their ideology demands embracing the ridiculous, the illogical, the convoluted...reason is put out to pasture.

BaconWizard · Aug 10, 2014

Zeek said:
Personally it falls smack bang into the middle of my expectancy and my experience...I have never been taken by surprise at the answers from anti-Israel Islamists...their ideology demands embracing the ridiculous, the illogical, the convoluted...reason is put out to pasture.

I cannot disagree. However it is equally true from the uber right wing neo-zionist nuts.

Some people are driven by compassion and reason, others embrace the worst excesses of willful ignorance and hatred. Its a matter of choosing which you'd rather be.

ViaCrucis · Aug 10, 2014

ContraMundum said:
...who lost it in war to the Hebrews...who lost it in war to the Romans....who left....then the locals lost it in war to the Arab invaders....then the Arabs lost it in war to the Israelis.....

...um what's your actual point?

War makes borders. Deal with it and move on.

There's war and there's war.

The United States of America is a nation built upon nearly endless "wars" with the indigenous peoples. To call these "wars" in any classical sense, however, seems incredibly overly generous. These were near-genocidal missions of extermination, to steal away, capture, and rob people of their land, culture, and identity.

As an American that is part of the history of my nation that I have to take seriously. The existence of reservations is a continued reminder of this bloody, brutal, evil history.

And it's quite difficult of me to see there being much difference between how my country dealt with those we now call Native Americans and the Israeli treatment of the Palestinian people. Segregating and herding them into ghetto-reservations. And then acting indignant when some turn to violence.

-CryptoLutheran

BaconWizard · Aug 10, 2014

ContraMundum said:
...and way more of the population of Israel are refugees from Muslim countries...

Oh, well that's ok then!

LoveBeingAMuslimah · Aug 10, 2014

LoveBeingAMuslimah said:
I don't know whether to laugh or cry at how much of an accurate portrayal this is. It's so true.

lol, looks like some of the people here jumped to number 7 right away....except instead of saying I'm an anti-semite it's "anti-Israel Islamist" haha.

Yeah, don't try to respond to the actual points, just go straight to loaded (in the West) terms to try to discredit the valid points, complete with lots of evidence, made. *yawn*

Rationalt · Aug 10, 2014

EnemyOfReason said:
Filistinians like the vast majority of Muslims cannot distinguish a Zionist from a Jew. Their main mission is the destruction of Israel and the murder of all Jews on the basis of religion.

Talking points refuted. Didn't event take a paragraph

FreeinChrist · Aug 17, 2014

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simplegifts · Aug 22, 2014

The Media Intifada: Bad Math, Ugly Truths About New York Times In Israel-Hamas War - Forbes

Hoshiyya · Sep 20, 2014

ContraMundum said:
...who lost it in war to the Hebrews...who lost it in war to the Romans....who left....then the locals lost it in war to the Arab invaders....then the Arabs lost it in war to the Israelis.....

...um what's your actual point?

War makes borders. Deal with it and move on.

You know they don't listen to reason. They make up ad hoc arguments and appeal to principles that have no communion with reality, and which they don't really believe in themselves.

Will the Arabs give Egypt back to -- I don't know, the native Egyptians ?
Should every person with Spanish blood move out of South America back to Spain ?
Every Brazilian with Portuguese blood go back to Portugal ?
Every Egyptian with Arab blood go back to the Hijaz peninsula ?
Every Afro-American or Afro-Caribbean go back to Africa ?
Every Turk go back to the plains, and give Greece back to the Greeks ?

And indeed, the unexplainably pro-Palestinian, anti-Israeli Scandi-navalim should give all their land back to the Sami, and go back to Denmark and Germany from whence they came.

The Japanese would have to give back the land to the Ainu. The white Americans and Oceanians would generally have to go back to Britain. The British would have to go back to France or Germany I guess. Hence the white Americans / Oceanians would have to emigrate en masse to France or Germany.
Sounds plausible, right ? This is definetely gonna happen. Real soon.

LoveBeingAMuslimah · Sep 20, 2014

"Hamas breaks ceasefires, Israel doesn't...it only reacts!"

Three months have passed since the ceasefire that brought an end to Israel's eight-day attack on the Gaza Strip known as Operation "Pillar of Defence"....So remember this data, and note what the Israeli army has been doing when - in the words of Israel's own consul general in Los Angeles - "for the last three months, there hasn't been a rocket fired from Gaza".

What a 'period of calm' looks like in the Occupied Territories - Opinion - Al Jazeera English

Bigger version available on the link following the infographic:

Infographic: Who violates ceasefires more, Israelis or Palestinians? | The Electronic Intifada

Hoshiyya · Sep 20, 2014

When will the Turks give back the land to the Greeks, M?
Should they even ?

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