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I am pentecostal and I am new to reformed theology. I was wondering if someone could point me to a website of reformed pentecostals or reformed apostolics. Apostolics are the ones who believe in the oneness of God. I was wondering if there were any reformed apostolics or pentecostals. Thanks for any help.
 

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I am pentecostal and I am new to reformed theology. I was wondering if someone could point me to a website of reformed pentecostals or reformed apostolics. Apostolics are the ones who believe in the oneness of God. I was wondering if there were any reformed apostolics or pentecostals. Thanks for any help.
Sorry, the terms Reformed and Pentacostal (Leaving the Oneness or Apostolic bit out of the equation for the moment) are oxymorons. That is to say they are two terms that are mutually exclusive.

There are Calvinistic and/or Reformed Charismatic groups, but Pentecostalism is antithetical to Reformed theology in many ways.
 
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Sorry, the terms Reformed and Pentacostal (Leaving the Oneness or Apostolic bit out of the equation for the moment) are oxymorons. That is to say they are two terms that are mutually exclusive.

There are Calvinistic and/or Reformed Charismatic groups, but Pentecostalism is antithetical to Reformed theology in many ways.
leaving aside apostolics, why does pentecostal theology conflict with calvinism? please inform me, i am totally clueless.
 
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Bill Price a OP pastor for 15 years and a member for 17 years gives his testimony to some problems within OP

Some of my brethren on here may or may not know, but I came out from Oneness Pentecostalism into the glorious truth of true Christianity in February of this year, though I had tried to go back for a short time. I wanted to start a thread to help people dealing with Oneness Pentecostals, whether they be friends, family, co-workers, etc.

One of the man problems with Oneness Pentecostalism is the hybrid heresies of Monarchism and Patripassianism which dominate their view of the Godhead. Oneness believes without question, that God is one, but refuses to acknowledge the biblical distinction between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Oneness equates the Holy Spirit as the Father, and claims, in many cases, that the Son is not deity, but is mere humanity the Father chooses to dwell in while on earth. At the Cross, Oneness, hold a strange belief that the Father was on the Cross, and that He left the Son to die on the Cross, the Father mystically departing out from the Son. In fact, many Oneness theologians claim that the Son is not in Heaven now, only the Father, and the Spirit, which are one in the same, and not distinct persons.

In alignment with this, the Oneness line of thought when it comes to the prayers of Jesus also deny the truth of scripture. Oneness claims that Jesus prayed to the Father only as example, and that the prayers were meant only for the disciples benefit. They refuse to see the full humility of the Son in the prayers of Him to the Father. Those who do acknowledge the prayers as legit claim that the human nature (Son) was only praying to His divine nature (Father) while the Father and Son were in the same body.

As touching the soteriology, Oneness Pentecostalism holds a very humanistic view of salvation. Oneness depends heavily on baptismal regeneration. They believe that a soul chooses God, repent of their sins on their own. From there, their sins are only forgiven/remitted through water baptism pronouncing the name of Jesus over the candidate for baptism. Then, God is obligated to fill that persons so that they speak in tongues. But, that is not all. You must work within your own power for both your salvation continuing and your sanctification. Jesus becomes nothing more than the means of salvation, but man is a co-redeemer in that work.

Next, let's look at their idea of holiness. In Oneness Pentecostalism, the Cross is the means of salvation, but not the means of our sanctification. In Oneness, one is sanctified only initially by salvation, but then we must work for our holiness by wearing the right clothes, avoiding all things worldly including all TV and movies, all alcohol with the exception of communion in some churches, and also no jewelry. In their belief system, women who wear pants are in sin, regardless of reason, because all pants are for men only.

Another point of Oneness cultism is the holy magic hair doctrine. This doctrine declares that a woman's uncut hair has mystical power to call down angels, and force God to answer prayer requests. The uncut hair is protection from demonic forces in a woman's house, but only if it is completely uncut.

These are the basic beliefs of the Oneness heresy. As you can see, each of these points are easily refuted, and in the morning, I will be offering the refutation of this heretical cult. Until then, I ask that my brethren here to also share in their refuting Oneness.
 
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Bill Price a OP pastor for 15 years and a member for 17 years gives his testimony to some problems within OP

Some of my brethren on here may or may not know, but I came out from Oneness Pentecostalism into the glorious truth of true Christianity in February of this year, though I had tried to go back for a short time. I wanted to start a thread to help people dealing with Oneness Pentecostals, whether they be friends, family, co-workers, etc.

One of the man problems with Oneness Pentecostalism is the hybrid heresies of Monarchism and Patripassianism which dominate their view of the Godhead. Oneness believes without question, that God is one, but refuses to acknowledge the biblical distinction between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Oneness equates the Holy Spirit as the Father, and claims, in many cases, that the Son is not deity, but is mere humanity the Father chooses to dwell in while on earth. At the Cross, Oneness, hold a strange belief that the Father was on the Cross, and that He left the Son to die on the Cross, the Father mystically departing out from the Son. In fact, many Oneness theologians claim that the Son is not in Heaven now, only the Father, and the Spirit, which are one in the same, and not distinct persons.

In alignment with this, the Oneness line of thought when it comes to the prayers of Jesus also deny the truth of scripture. Oneness claims that Jesus prayed to the Father only as example, and that the prayers were meant only for the disciples benefit. They refuse to see the full humility of the Son in the prayers of Him to the Father. Those who do acknowledge the prayers as legit claim that the human nature (Son) was only praying to His divine nature (Father) while the Father and Son were in the same body.

As touching the soteriology, Oneness Pentecostalism holds a very humanistic view of salvation. Oneness depends heavily on baptismal regeneration. They believe that a soul chooses God, repent of their sins on their own. From there, their sins are only forgiven/remitted through water baptism pronouncing the name of Jesus over the candidate for baptism. Then, God is obligated to fill that persons so that they speak in tongues. But, that is not all. You must work within your own power for both your salvation continuing and your sanctification. Jesus becomes nothing more than the means of salvation, but man is a co-redeemer in that work.

Next, let's look at their idea of holiness. In Oneness Pentecostalism, the Cross is the means of salvation, but not the means of our sanctification. In Oneness, one is sanctified only initially by salvation, but then we must work for our holiness by wearing the right clothes, avoiding all things worldly including all TV and movies, all alcohol with the exception of communion in some churches, and also no jewelry. In their belief system, women who wear pants are in sin, regardless of reason, because all pants are for men only.

Another point of Oneness cultism is the holy magic hair doctrine. This doctrine declares that a woman's uncut hair has mystical power to call down angels, and force God to answer prayer requests. The uncut hair is protection from demonic forces in a woman's house, but only if it is completely uncut.

These are the basic beliefs of the Oneness heresy. As you can see, each of these points are easily refuted, and in the morning, I will be offering the refutation of this heretical cult. Until then, I ask that my brethren here to also share in their refuting Oneness.
if it is the same bill price i know, he is mentally unstable. Bill Price is posting these days as "untraditional" in a oneness forum called apostolicfriendsforum.com. if you really want to refute oneness you might want to try greg boyd who also believes in open theism or thomas fudge in christianity without the cross.
 
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I am pentecostal and I am new to reformed theology. I was wondering if someone could point me to a website of reformed pentecostals or reformed apostolics. Apostolics are the ones who believe in the oneness of God. I was wondering if there were any reformed apostolics or pentecostals. Thanks for any help.

There are charismatic Calvinists, Matt Slick of CARM (Christian Apologetics Research Ministry), Wayne Grudem, and John Piper to name a few well known ones.

"Oneness" Pentecostals should not be confused with Christians, because they deny the Trinity as many cults do.
 
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I am not sure if this is the same Bill Price you know or not, but it is a fairly accurate account of OP. You can see the whole set of pots over at the Puritan Board. Oneness Pentecostalism Heresies

As far as Greg Boyd, he like Clark Pinnock is an open theist. This is heresy. The ever-guessing god of Open Theism

if it is the same bill price i know, he is mentally unstable. Bill Price is posting these days as "untraditional" in a oneness forum called apostolicfriendsforum.com. if you really want to refute oneness you might want to try greg boyd who also believes in open theism or thomas fudge in christianity without the cross.
 
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I find Grudems thesis, printed as a book latter, to be somewhat convincing. It is discussed here: http://www.christianforums.com/t7696961/

Also, Reformed or Calvinistic theology is deeply Trinitarian. This is a huge topic of discussion and some debate but if you follow the scriptures, drawing conclusions based on scripture alone, you cannot deny the Trinity.

see pactum salutis

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