Could anyone let me know if there's such a thing as a "Reformed Baptist" denomination in the United States? Any info would be appreciated
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"Reformed Baptist" Denomination?
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Yes, there are quite a few "Reformed Baptist" churches, especially in the South. They are strong on the doctrines of grace, i.e., the 5 points of Calvinism. They are strong on the local church as best I recall and church history. U can type in "Reformed Baptist" in your search engine and find out much more from them directly. They have many web pages. God bless
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Reformed Baptist are not just Calvinistic in that they believe in the doctrines of Grace.
Reformed Baptists take the Second London Baptist Confession of Faith of 1689 and the 1677 Baptist Catechism as a sum of Biblical doctrine.
The are other Baptists who believe in predestination (mainly Hyper-Calvinists) but Reformed Baptists hold to Reformed veiws on other sudjects that set them different from other Calvinistic Baptists.
Christ spiritually present in Communion as opposed to just the memorial view.
Elder rule instead of Congregational rule
Accept historic church Creeds (i.e.. Apostles' , Nicene)
Since they are traditional Calvinists, and not Hyper-Calvinists, they support missionaries.
They believe in Covenant Theology as opposed to Dispensationism and New Covenant Theology.
Strict observance of the Sabbath or LORD's Day, and a wariness toward "holidays"
Many practice the Regulatory Principle in worship.
The Liturgy of Reformed Baptists may seem quite different from other Baptists
The main group (founded in 1997) is the Association of Reformed Baptist Churches in America, but there are other groups that would be called "Reformed Baptist"
The Particular Baptists are the original "reformed" Baptists, originating in the late 1500's or early 1600's. This is the church tradition which ARBCA sought to revive in America when they founded their denomination.
http://www.pbpress.org/
Yet there do seem to be some churches today taking this name "particular" who are not holding to an Orthodox Reformed Theology, but alter some of their doctrine and practices. (The Confederation of Particular Baptists I do not believe are neither Orthodox or historical in their practices and theology)
The Strict Baptists (mainly in England)
www.strictbaptisthistory.org.uk
In the Southern Baptist Convention there is a movement called the "Founder's Movement" which seeks to return to the orignal Reformed and Puritan doctrines of that church. This has led to many who call themselves Reformed or Historical Southern Baptists. There has actually been a lot of progress in their strivings. www.founders.org
This may all be called "Reformed" Baptists, but other Clavinistic Baptist (like the Primitive Baptist) are not Reformed.
Reformed Baptists take the Second London Baptist Confession of Faith of 1689 and the 1677 Baptist Catechism as a sum of Biblical doctrine.
The are other Baptists who believe in predestination (mainly Hyper-Calvinists) but Reformed Baptists hold to Reformed veiws on other sudjects that set them different from other Calvinistic Baptists.
Christ spiritually present in Communion as opposed to just the memorial view.
Elder rule instead of Congregational rule
Accept historic church Creeds (i.e.. Apostles' , Nicene)
Since they are traditional Calvinists, and not Hyper-Calvinists, they support missionaries.
They believe in Covenant Theology as opposed to Dispensationism and New Covenant Theology.
Strict observance of the Sabbath or LORD's Day, and a wariness toward "holidays"
Many practice the Regulatory Principle in worship.
The Liturgy of Reformed Baptists may seem quite different from other Baptists
The main group (founded in 1997) is the Association of Reformed Baptist Churches in America, but there are other groups that would be called "Reformed Baptist"
The Particular Baptists are the original "reformed" Baptists, originating in the late 1500's or early 1600's. This is the church tradition which ARBCA sought to revive in America when they founded their denomination.
http://www.pbpress.org/
Yet there do seem to be some churches today taking this name "particular" who are not holding to an Orthodox Reformed Theology, but alter some of their doctrine and practices. (The Confederation of Particular Baptists I do not believe are neither Orthodox or historical in their practices and theology)
The Strict Baptists (mainly in England)
www.strictbaptisthistory.org.uk
In the Southern Baptist Convention there is a movement called the "Founder's Movement" which seeks to return to the orignal Reformed and Puritan doctrines of that church. This has led to many who call themselves Reformed or Historical Southern Baptists. There has actually been a lot of progress in their strivings. www.founders.org
This may all be called "Reformed" Baptists, but other Clavinistic Baptist (like the Primitive Baptist) are not Reformed.
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Do you happen to know the end times (eschatology) position that the Reformed Baptists take (Historic Premill, Dispensational Premill, Amill, Postmill)?
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If I remember correctly, Reformed Doctrine allows for Historic Premil, Amil, and Postmil. Dispensationalism is completely denounced since it is incompatible with the Covenent Theology that is central to Reformed Doctrine.
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Those who are Reformed Baptists hold a form of Covenantal Theology, and hence are either Historic Premillennial, Postmillennial or Amillennial. (Although I've never met nor heard of any Baptistic Postmillenialist, Are there any out there?). Any system of dispensationalism is in conflict to reformed thought and with the London Baptist Confession 1689, to which many Reformed Baptists would subscribe.
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Most of us are Amill now. (Christ reign present in the Church; tribulation happening always somewhere)
Alot of the Puritans were Postmill. Some Reformed Baptists still are. (Increased evangelism will usher in a "Golden Age", the Millenium; in which Christ will rule the whole world and everyone alive at the time will be saved, then Christ will make His second coming)
There are a few Historical Premills.(Second coming, Millenium, then judgement)
Just for your info I'm Amill.
Alot of the Puritans were Postmill. Some Reformed Baptists still are. (Increased evangelism will usher in a "Golden Age", the Millenium; in which Christ will rule the whole world and everyone alive at the time will be saved, then Christ will make His second coming)
There are a few Historical Premills.(Second coming, Millenium, then judgement)
Note: don't take me for the gospel on the millenial views, but I'm pretty sure this is all correct.
We all believe that Christ will have only 1 second coming (none of this "Left Behind" Theology)
Just for your info I'm Amill.
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All that I know are.stevetruax said:
No work, unless it can't be put off. (Luke 14:5)
Good works are to be done; i.e. helping neighbours, the poor, the less fortunate, any in need.
Both public and private worship is stressed.
And the biggest problem for most of us No eating out after church.
(One I still struggle with since my parents are not Reformed and have a tradition of eating out afterward.)The LORD's Day is a day of worship, rememberance, rest, and good works.
It's really not that bad.
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Just a side note on holidays and Reformed Baptist. While there is a wariness to these (because of our Puritan heritage) there are several differences you may encounter with each church depending on their preferred "liturgy".
I classify five different liturgies in the modern Reformed Churches:
Puritan Liturgy: No holidays except Sunday. Days of Fasting or Thanksgiving may be announced and held when felt appropriate by elders.
Reformed (Genevan) Liturgy: Sunday the only true holiday. Four annual feasts observed (all on Sundays) : Feast of His Nativity, Feast of His Ressurection, Feast of His Ascension, and Feast of Pentecost. (No conventional celebration of Christmas or Easter) Passion Week meetings are observed for each day of that week. Days of Fasting or Thanksgiving may be announced and held when felt appropriate by elders.
Traditional American Liturgy: All Sundays holidays, plus Christmas and Easter.
Tradition Liturgy: Observance of the Christian Calendar (i.e. Lent, Advent, Epiphany, Trinity, et cetera).
New spin on the Puritan Liturgy: Only Sundays holy days. Days of Fasting or Thanksgiving may be announced and held when felt appropriate by elders. Christmas and Easter celebrated as only secular "holidays" without the religious side of them. Kind of the opposite of the Reformed (Genevan) practice. (Really don't get this one
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Again, it has been my experience that most Reformed people I talk to either use the latter one, secularizing Christmas and Easter, or the Traditional American Lit. with leanings to the all out Traditional Lit.(celebrating Advent and Lent etc.)
I really struggled with what to do with the holidays after I became Reformed, but my studying and convictions have led me to agree with the Reformed or Genevan Liturgy as the most in-line with the Bible and history.
I'd say you'd have your choice.
Pray, study, and allow others to follow their own convictions.
I classify five different liturgies in the modern Reformed Churches:
Puritan Liturgy: No holidays except Sunday. Days of Fasting or Thanksgiving may be announced and held when felt appropriate by elders.
Reformed (Genevan) Liturgy: Sunday the only true holiday. Four annual feasts observed (all on Sundays) : Feast of His Nativity, Feast of His Ressurection, Feast of His Ascension, and Feast of Pentecost. (No conventional celebration of Christmas or Easter) Passion Week meetings are observed for each day of that week. Days of Fasting or Thanksgiving may be announced and held when felt appropriate by elders.
Traditional American Liturgy: All Sundays holidays, plus Christmas and Easter.
Tradition Liturgy: Observance of the Christian Calendar (i.e. Lent, Advent, Epiphany, Trinity, et cetera).
New spin on the Puritan Liturgy: Only Sundays holy days. Days of Fasting or Thanksgiving may be announced and held when felt appropriate by elders. Christmas and Easter celebrated as only secular "holidays" without the religious side of them. Kind of the opposite of the Reformed (Genevan) practice. (Really don't get this one
)Again, it has been my experience that most Reformed people I talk to either use the latter one, secularizing Christmas and Easter, or the Traditional American Lit. with leanings to the all out Traditional Lit.(celebrating Advent and Lent etc.)
I really struggled with what to do with the holidays after I became Reformed, but my studying and convictions have led me to agree with the Reformed or Genevan Liturgy as the most in-line with the Bible and history.
I'd say you'd have your choice.
Pray, study, and allow others to follow their own convictions.
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Reformed baptist,
Mainly they are are Amill. Some are preterist post mills. Some are post mill. Very few are premills and fewer still are dispensational. The reformed Baptist church of Grand Rapids offers seminary training. There are tons of reformed Baptist web sites. They are all pretty much Sabbatarians, although not very strictly.
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Mainly they are are Amill. Some are preterist post mills. Some are post mill. Very few are premills and fewer still are dispensational. The reformed Baptist church of Grand Rapids offers seminary training. There are tons of reformed Baptist web sites. They are all pretty much Sabbatarians, although not very strictly.
Barry
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The name Reformed Baptist refers both to a distinct Christian denomination, and to a description of theological leaning. Not all churches or individuals that are reformed in doctrine identify themselves as Reformed Baptist.
Reformed Baptists are both Baptists and Calvinists, and typically adhere to the 1644 or 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith. They can trace their history through the early modern Particular Baptists of England.
Reformed Baptists are both Baptists and Calvinists, and typically adhere to the 1644 or 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith. They can trace their history through the early modern Particular Baptists of England.
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