Redefining God's Word

Zaac · Sep 12, 2007

"For in those days Israel had no king, so everyone did whatever he wanted to-- whatever seemed right in his own eyes." Judges 17:6

"The way of a fool seems right to him, but a wise man listens to advice." Proverbs 12:15

It's the nature of humans to reject God's truth and establish our own truth because we don't want to be accountable to God. We want to be our own God and follow the compass of our feelings. Then according to our wisdom and not God's, "We can justify our every deed, but God looks at our motives." Proverbs 21:2

So why is it that when it comes to homosexuality and the committing of fornicative homosexual acts, so many "purported" Christians continue to either reject God's Word as his Word or they continue to research a word or concept until they can find something that they feel justifies this sin?

Apollo Celestio · Sep 12, 2007

Because they are unwilling to give it up.(Whether it be easy or not..) Simple as that. Would God's word be God's word if certain sins were allowed?

HaloHope · Sep 12, 2007

Ishida said:
Would God's word be God's word if certain sins were allowed?

No it wouldnt be Gods word when God dosent really mention it whatsoever. Just like in the way homosexuality isnt really mentioned in the Bible, just certain sinful acts that can be homosexual in nature just as they can be hetrosexual.

Ohioprof · Sep 12, 2007

Zaac said:
"For in those days Israel had no king, so everyone did whatever he wanted to-- whatever seemed right in his own eyes." Judges 17:6

"The way of a fool seems right to him, but a wise man listens to advice." Proverbs 12:15

It's the nature of humans to reject God's truth and establish our own truth because we don't want to be accountable to God. We want to be our own God and follow the compass of our feelings. Then according to our wisdom and not God's, "We can justify our every deed, but God looks at our motives." Proverbs 21:2

So why is it that when it comes to homosexuality and the committing of fornicative homosexual acts, so many "purported" Christians continue to either reject God's Word as his Word or they continue to research a word or concept until they can find something that they feel justifies this sin?

I don't reject the Bible as the word of God because of a few passages that may or may not address the subject of gay people. I reject the Bible as the word of God because there is no evidence that the Bible is the word of God, and the whole idea seems irrational and preposterous to me. I apologize to anyone who may be offended by this statement, but it's my honest answer to the question that has been posed.

Ohioprof · Sep 12, 2007

Ishida said:
Because they are unwilling to give it up.(Whether it be easy or not..) Simple as that. Would God's word be God's word if certain sins were allowed?

No.

tulc · Sep 12, 2007

So why is it that when it comes to homosexuality and the committing of fornicative homosexual acts, so many "purported" Christians continue to either reject God's Word as his Word or they continue to research a word or concept until they can find something that they feel justifies this sin?

Ahhh! So when you discover something in the Bible that supports your belief it's alright, but if someone digs a little deeper into the Scriptures and studies the language and cultural context they're wrong?
tulc(that seems to imply YOUR belief is what matters, not the Bible)

Zaac · Sep 12, 2007

HaloHope said:
No it wouldnt be Gods word when God dosent really mention it whatsoever.

Huh How does that answer the question Would God's word be God's word if certain sins were allowed?

Just like in the way homosexuality isnt really mentioned in the Bible, just certain sinful acts that can be homosexual in nature just as they can be hetrosexual.

Like fornication.

Zaac · Sep 12, 2007

Ohioprof said:
I don't reject the Bible as the word of God because of a few passages that may or may not address the subject of gay people. I reject the Bible as the word of God because there is no evidence that the Bible is the word of God, and the whole idea seems irrational and preposterous to me.

You're a whole nother subject.

I apologize to anyone who may be offended by this statement, but it's my honest answer to the question that has been posed.

Not offended. Just explains why most folks who feel as you do live confused immoral lives. It's consistent across the board.

Ohioprof · Sep 12, 2007

Zaac said:
You're a whole nother subject.

Not offended. Just explains why most folks who feel as you do live confused immoral lives. It's consistent across the board.

I do not live a "confused, immoral life." On the contrary, my life is anything but confused, and I certainly do not think that what I do is immoral.

What "immoral" acts do you imagine I commit? If you can name some, I will attempt to correct whatever seems "immoral" to me.

Zaac · Sep 12, 2007

tulc said:
Ahhh! So when you discover something in the Bible that supports your belief it's alright, but if someone digs a little deeper into the Scriptures and studies the language and cultural context they're wrong?

You need to scratch your head on that. You really need to stop with the "polite digs" while ascribing things to people they didn't say.

The Bible is not a tool to support your beliefs. It gives you the character of Jesus Christ and His righteousness, thereby illustrating the standard of right and wrong.

That's not there to support anybody's belief.

tulc(that seems to imply YOUR belief is what matters, not the Bible)

See what happens when you try to put words into people's mouths that they didn't say? You've already interpolated an implication of my belief about something YOU SAID.

Zaac · Sep 12, 2007

Ohioprof said:
I do not live a "confused, immoral life." On the contrary, my life is anything but confused, and I certainly do not think that what I do is immoral.

Of course you don't. Satan didn't think he was doing anything wrong either.

What "immoral" acts do you imagine I commit? If you can name some, I will attempt to correct whatever seems "immoral" to me.

We've already discussed your immoral, sinful acts that result as your actions with those of the same sex.

Ohioprof · Sep 12, 2007

Zaac said:
You need to scratch your head on that. You really need to stop with the "polite digs" while ascribing things to people they didn't say.

The Bible is not a tool to support your beliefs. It gives you the character of Jesus Christ and His righteousness, thereby illustrating the standard of right and wrong.

That's not there to support anybody's belief.

See what happens when you try to put words into people's mouths that they didn't say? You've already interpolated an implication of my belief about something YOU SAID.

"...interpolated an implication about my belief about something you said."

Now there's a mouthful!

Ohioprof · Sep 12, 2007

Zaac said:
Of course you don't. Satan didn't think he was doing anything wrong either.

We've already discussed your immoral, sinful acts that result as your actions with those of the same sex.

What actions with those of the same sex? Talking to them?

tulc · Sep 12, 2007

Just explains why most folks who feel as you do live confused immoral lives. It's consistent across the board.

...you're not saying she lives a confused immoral life are you?
tulc(because that would be pretty rude)

Ohioprof · Sep 12, 2007

Zaac,

You really should be more careful before you slander someone in a post. You should be careful that what you are posting is accurate. It's certainly rude to compare me, or any person, with Satan. And you should not assume that just because someone is gay that they are committing ANY "acts" with someone of the same sex.

I have said on numerous occasions that I do not have sex. I am single. You imagine that I commit "acts," but you don't know what I do. You accuse me of sin and compare me to Satan because of what you imagine I do.

You don't know me. It's bad practice to judge someone else, particularly based on what you imagine they do.

Ohioprof · Sep 12, 2007

He just did. See Zaac's subsequent post.

Zaac · Sep 12, 2007

tulc said:
...you're not saying she lives a confused immoral life are you?
tulc(because that would be pretty rude)

Have you not recognized yet that I am capable of saying what I intend to say?

What do I care that the truth is rude? If I tell you what God says about your sin and you think it's rude, big deal.

Ohioprof · Sep 12, 2007

Zaac said:
Have you not recognized yet that I am capable of saying what I intend to say?

What do I care that the truth is rude? If I tell you what God says about your sin and you think it's rude, big deal.

Ah, so you clearly intend to accuse me of "acts" with someone of the same sex, and you intend to compare me with Satan. All this despite what I have told you: that I do not have sex. I am single.

Pogue · Sep 12, 2007

There are ways of debating the subject of homosexuality without being rude, so I'm told.

Zaac · Sep 12, 2007

Ohioprof said:
Zaac,

You really should be more careful before you slander someone in a post. You should be careful that what you are posting is accurate. It's certainly rude to compare me, or any person, with Satan.

Yall are funny. You weren't slandered. But if you present your wrong as right, how are your actions any different than satan jstifying his wrong as right?

And you should not assume that just because someone is gay that they are committing ANY "acts" with someone of the same sex.

I didn't assume that.

I have said on numerous occasions that I do not have sex. I am single. You imagine that I commit "acts," but you don't know what I do. You accuse me of sin and compare me to Satan because of what you imagine I do.

And I will say again, I didn't say you were having sex.

You don't know me. It's bad practice to judge someone else, particularly based on what you imagine they do.

You're righteously judged on your acts.

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