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Brightmoon · Nov 2, 2020

WonbyOneanddone said:
The fact that ALL of their founders of BLM are Marxist is irrelevant?

What if they were Nazis? Would it still be irrelevant? Of course not, but why the double standard? After all, Stalin murdered many more than Hitler and the ideology of Marxism has murdered millions last century, many more than Nazism ever did. And the Left wing ideology seems to infiltrate and subvert other governments with alarming ease. Did I even mention that the Nazi regime even self identified as socialist?

I suppose genocide and murder based upon targeting political opponents is much more palatable than doing it based on a persons race and the fact that the world defeated the Nazi regime while allying with Marxists to do it is why it is PC to be a Marxist but not a Nazi.

Whatever floats your boat.

what if they were nazis ? Well the Nazis tortured people and kept detailed notes on how long the lived . I don’t see BLM doing that . I see them protesting extra judicial murders by people who’s job is to arrest lawbreakers for trial and to save lives. Killing defenseless people is not the job of the police. Killing them because the cop has the inconvenience of having to chase after them is murder. Restraining them in such a way that they cause them to die is murder . Harassing and abusing people because you don’t like their skin color or religion means you deserve to be fired . Crazies are starting to target police officers because of the systemic abuse. My nephew is an officer . Do you really think I like the idea of him being targeted because another cop abuses people?

Brightmoon · Nov 2, 2020

AV1611VET said:
How does Mr. Schroeder explain angiosperms existing for two billion years without the sun?

Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

in other words you don’t know ! And just FYI grass evolved long after the dinosaurs and early mammals were around .

AV1611VET · Nov 2, 2020

AV1611VET said:
How does Mr. Schroeder explain angiosperms existing for two billion years without the sun?

Brightmoon said:
in other words you don’t know ! And just FYI grass evolved long after the dinosaurs and early mammals were around .

If that's true ... and it isn't ... but if it is, then how did the dinosaurs and early mammals exist for two billion years without the sun?

AV1611VET · Nov 2, 2020

Brightmoon said:
And just FYI grass evolved long after the dinosaurs and early mammals were around.

Then what's this?

From sciencefocus.com:

Are those angiosperms I see in the background?

From a science site?

Hmmm ...

WonbyOneanddone · Nov 2, 2020

Brightmoon said:
what if they were nazis ? Well the Nazis tortured people and kept detailed notes on how long the lived . I don’t see BLM doing that . I see them protesting extra judicial murders by people who’s job is to arrest lawbreakers for trial and to save lives. Killing defenseless people is not the job of the police. Killing them because the cop has the inconvenience of having to chase after them is murder. Restraining them in such a way that they cause them to die is murder . Harassing and abusing people because you don’t like their skin color or religion means you deserve to be fired . Crazies are starting to target police officers because of the systemic abuse. My nephew is an officer . Do you really think I like the idea of him being targeted because another cop abuses people?

The correct answer is, if BLM said they were Nazis corporations all around the world would not be giving them millions of dollars because it would be bad PR for obvious reasons. However, corporations don't care that they proclaim Marxism, an obvious double standard.

Now getting back to police officers. You, like BLM, are lumping together all incidents of blacks being killed by the police as one and the same. As soon as a black is killed, for whatever reason, riots occur on the spot. None are interested in the criminal justice system to figure it all out.

It is akin the the Breana story. Here you had police with a warrant, and they were shot at and hit. Well guess what, the police are going to shoot back. Now you can argue that there needs to be reform with the process of producing warrants and going after people, but the police did their jobs by knocking on the door, identifying themselves, and then were shot at.

BLM cares about as much for blacks, like Clarence Thomas, as Rocket man in NK cares about the poor working class he professes to support.

It's all about political power.

I can honestly say that I'm grateful not to be a police officer. It is like a police officer who recently was sent to round up a drunk in Ohio. The man resisted, and then shot the police officer dead. He had very little time to react. In ALL cases when a person resists arrest, the police officer needs to be keenly aware of the situation because he could lose his or her life very quickly. And in ALL cases that I have seen, such violence occurs when blacks are resisting arrest on some level.

I was even pulled over once by police. It was night time, they pulled their guns, shined their bright lights on me, and told me not to move. I had an old dent in my bumper and someone tried to claim a hit and run, so when the police came to my car and saw rust in the bumper, they realized it was a false report, just someone trying to make a buck or two. But if I had so much as flinched, I would not be here today, and it would have NOTHING to do with race.

But in a country where half the people seem to be on drugs, and a country where half the country has no respect for law and order, a country where they assassinate police officers and then follow them to the hospital screaming that they hope they die, how would YOU like to be a police officer?

Brightmoon · Nov 2, 2020

As I’ve stated my nephew is police officer. I’m quite sure he doesn’t harass and then murder people he arrests

Brightmoon · Nov 2, 2020

AV1611VET said:
If that's true ... and it isn't ... but if it is, then how did the dinosaurs and early mammals exist for two billion years without the sun?

AV1611VET said:
Then what's this?

From sciencefocus.com:

Are those angiosperms I see in the background?

From a science site?

Hmmm ...

one of these days AV you’ll actually decide to learn what real scientists say instead of just making it up . Most grasses evolved around 66 million years ago some have been found 100 million years ago . Grass is not as old as the non avian dinosaurs it was the last clade of angiosperms to evolve .
The sun is older than the earth . Neither Mammals nor dinosaurs were around 2 billion years ago. Eucaryotes weren’t around 2 billion years ago

AV1611VET · Nov 2, 2020

Brightmoon said:
one of these days AV you’ll actually decide to learn what real scientists say instead of just making it up . Most grasses evolved around 66 million years ago some have been found 100 million years ago . Grass is not as old as the non avian dinosaurs it was the last clade of angiosperms to evolve .
The sun is older than the earth . Neither Mammals nor dinosaurs were around 2 billion years ago. Eucaryotes weren’t around 2 billion years ago

I have no idea what you just said -- but what else is new?

A minute ago, you said:

And just FYI grass evolved long after the dinosaurs and early mammals were around.

Are you saying otherwise now?

Brightmoon · Nov 2, 2020

AV1611VET · Nov 2, 2020

Brightmoon said:
The sun is older than the earth.

IF this is true, then it is because God created it older.

But, according to Genesis 1, the earth came first.

In fact, the earth was the first physical object to appear in the universe.

Brightmoon · Nov 2, 2020

So where did the light come from ?

AV1611VET · Nov 2, 2020

Brightmoon said:
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Isaac Asimov is in aitch.

Brightmoon · Nov 2, 2020

How would you know?

AV1611VET · Nov 2, 2020

Brightmoon said:
So where did the light come from?

Where do you think it came from?

You ask this question, right after posting some remark about some science fiction writer remarking about anti-intellectualism?

You don't read my threads much, do you?

The day I see an academian actually use the scientific method to understand the points I make, is the day I'll eat my keyboard.

I'm second-to-none here making the point that academians try and hold us Christians to the scientific method, while at the same time, they do anything but use it to understand what we are saying.

Here ... I'll answer your question, so you won't have to look it up:

Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

I'm glad I'm not a scientist. I'd get tired of kindergartners pwning me with such ease.

AV1611VET · Nov 2, 2020

Brightmoon said:
How would you know?

LOL -- solid aurum.

EVERYONE who dies goes to aitch.

That aitch can stand for either Heaven or Hell.

wheeee

Brightmoon · Nov 2, 2020

AV1611VET said:
LOL -- solid aurum.

EVERYONE who dies goes to aitch.

That aitch can stand for either Heaven or Hell.

wheeee

. How would you know ? Even as a Christian i know that that is unverifiable opinion

AV1611VET · Nov 2, 2020

Brightmoon said:
Even as a Christian i know that that is unverifiable opinion.

We call it doctrine.

Jesus spoke more on Heaven and Hell than any other person in the Bible.

The Barbarian · Nov 2, 2020

Brightmoon said:
How would you know?

Every Christian knows that no one on Earth can be sure who is in Heaven or in Hell.

WonbyOneanddone · Nov 2, 2020

AV1611VET said:
How does Mr. Schroeder explain angiosperms existing for two billion years without the sun?

Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.[/QUOTE]

Schroeder does not talk about angiosperm

But this is what I found out about it.

Controversy Blooms Over Earliest Flower Fossil | Live Science

Much of the natural history of angiosperms, or flowering plants, seems to be missing from the fossil record. According to fossils, the first plants on land were mosses, which emerged about 425 million years ago. The ferns were next, followed by gymnosperms — a group that includes cycads, gingkoes and pine trees. Then, about 125 million years ago, angiosperms and their flowers sprang forth during the Cretaceous period, as fully formed as Aphrodite. Within 30 million years, angiosperms would dominate the Earth. [Naughty by Nature: Photos of the Most Disgusting and Deadly Flowers]

AV1611VET said:
How does Mr. Schroeder explain angiosperms existing for two billion years without the sun?

If you take the calendar proposed by Schroeder:

Day 1 is 8 billion years

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Day 2 is 4 billion years

And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Day 3 was 2 billion years

And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Day 4 was 1 billion years

And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Day 5 was 500 million years ago

And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

AV1611VET said:
How does Mr. Schroeder explain angiosperms existing for two billion years without the sun?

Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

WonbyOneanddone · Nov 2, 2020

WonbyOneanddone said:
Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Schroeder does not talk about angiosperm

But this is what I found out about it.

Controversy Blooms Over Earliest Flower Fossil | Live Science

Much of the natural history of angiosperms, or flowering plants, seems to be missing from the fossil record. According to fossils, the first plants on land were mosses, which emerged about 425 million years ago. The ferns were next, followed by gymnosperms — a group that includes cycads, gingkoes and pine trees. Then, about 125 million years ago, angiosperms and their flowers sprang forth during the Cretaceous period, as fully formed as Aphrodite. Within 30 million years, angiosperms would dominate the Earth. [Naughty by Nature: Photos of the Most Disgusting and Deadly Flowers][/QUOTE]

AV1611VET said:
IF this is true, then it is because God created it older.

But, according to Genesis 1, the earth came first.

In fact, the earth was the first physical object to appear in the universe.

And it says the earth was without form.

Matter came first then light. This is according to science and the Bible.

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