Rec Drugs

[MaxR1996]

Sorry if this is against forum rules, I will not mention any specific drugs in this post

Whats the Christian opinion of using non-addictive drugs, more towards the psychedelic side ?

Deception or Enlightenment ?

I know most right away will say its a sin and be against it, but I know quite a few Christians who have used these drugs and had profound experiences that grew their faith.

Part of me believes the drugs are simply tools that allow you to enter the spiritual realm, and from you can experience good spirits ( God/Jesus/Angels ) or evil spirits ( Demons ) depending on your internal and external circumstances and what is in your heart.

I know some would call Sorcery but God made these 2 ( thinking of 2 in specific ) to grow naturally and put them on this earth.

It is Satan that made Alcohol, Cigarettes, Prescription drugs, Hard drug, etc.

Taking a naturally occurring substance I'd say isn't sorcery, sorcery would imply a process.

Anyway what are your thoughts on this?

Is it impossible that having one of these spiritual experiences through these substances could bring you closer to god?

After all the Bible and Christian life is a spiritual life, and I find from my limited experience that these substances increase spirituality. Call it deception but after these experiences I only feel more faithful, closer to god, and more interested in following Jesus's example.

 

[jacks]

As you probably know drugs affect people in different ways. So it is hard to generalize and say it is good or bad. I can tell you from my experience there is a limit or reduction in the cost/benefit from using recreational drugs. The hard part is to tell when you've passed that limit. The goal should be to become close to God without the use of any substance, then you can be sure it is truly enlightenment and not deception.

I'm sure others will have more definitive opinions, but that's my two cents.

 

[MaxR1996]

As you probably know drugs affect people in different ways. So it is hard to generalize and say it is good or bad. I can tell you from my experience there is a limit or reduction in the cost/benefit from using recreational drugs. The hard part is to tell when you've passed that limit. The goal should be to become close to God without the use of any substance, then you can be sure it is truly enlightenment and not deception.

I'm sure others will have more definitive opinions, but that's my two cents.

Thats a good opinion thank you.

 

[MaxR1996]

Any more answers ?

 

[zippy2]

Sorry if this is against forum rules, I will not mention any specific drugs in this post

Whats the Christian opinion of using non-addictive drugs, more towards the psychedelic side ?

Deception or Enlightenment ?

I know most right away will say its a sin and be against it, but I know quite a few Christians who have used these drugs and had profound experiences that grew their faith.

Part of me believes the drugs are simply tools that allow you to enter the spiritual realm, and from you can experience good spirits ( God/Jesus/Angels ) or evil spirits ( Demons ) depending on your internal and external circumstances and what is in your heart.

I know some would call Sorcery but God made these 2 ( thinking of 2 in specific ) to grow naturally and put them on this earth.

It is Satan that made Alcohol, Cigarettes, Prescription drugs, Hard drug, etc.

Taking a naturally occurring substance I'd say isn't sorcery, sorcery would imply a process.

Anyway what are your thoughts on this?

Is it impossible that having one of these spiritual experiences through these substances could bring you closer to god?

After all the Bible and Christian life is a spiritual life, and I find from my limited experience that these substances increase spirituality. Call it deception but after these experiences I only feel more faithful, closer to god, and more interested in following Jesus's example.

I am not sure about the rest but I do know that satan did NOT create prescription pain meds, as you indicated in your post. Just because some people use those drugs to get high does not mean they were created for that purpose. There are patients who need those for pain relief and that is what they were designed for. You are abusing these same drugs if you are trying to get an 'experience' out of them and I for one resent it. That is why I have to drive for 1 1/2 hours once a month to get a written prescription in my hot little hand and take it to the pharmacist. This is why my doctor cannot call it in. Just because somebody wants to get HIGH or 'have an experience'. These substances do not increase spirituality.........they relieve tremendous amounts of pain for those who need them and are prescribed them by a doctor. Sorry.

 

[MaxR1996]

I am not sure about the rest but I do know that satan did NOT create prescription pain meds, as you indicated in your post. Just because some people use those drugs to get high does not mean they were created for that purpose. There are patients who need those for pain relief and that is what they were designed for. You are abusing these same drugs if you are trying to get an 'experience' out of them and I for one resent it. That is why I have to drive for 1 1/2 hours once a month to get a written prescription in my hot little hand and take it to the pharmacist. This is why my doctor cannot call it in. Just because somebody wants to get HIGH or 'have an experience'. These substances do not increase spirituality.........they relieve tremendous amounts of pain for those who need them and are prescribed them by a doctor. Sorry.

Defensive mate ?

 

[zippy2]

Defensive mate ?

I guess I am. It hits home for me. Just a grumpy old lady I guess.

 

[MaxR1996]

I guess I am. It hits home for me. Just a grumpy old lady I guess.

Prescription drugs are man made poison.

 

[bhsmte]

Prescription drugs are man made poison.

Tell that to people who experience severe pain, have their diabetes controlled with meds, have their blood pressure controlled with meds, or have a myriad of other health issues controlled with prescription drugs.

Now, IMO, if someone needs to ingest substances, to alter their mood, then that person likely has some other issues going on.

 

[zippy2]

Prescription drugs are man made poison.

Not when you are hurting they are not. Ever try surgery without them?

 

[LaSorcia]

I would stay away from cannabis and mushrooms if I were you. Just because God can bring something good out of something bad, or protects you from what you could experience, that doesn't mean it's good or ok. If evil walked up to us and said, 'hey, I'm gonna kill you', we'd know it's evil. So it rarely does that. Evil masquerades as something good. It lures you in before it traps you. Drugs might be fun at first, but there is always a pay off. Read Pinocchio. Not the Disney crap, the real and unabridged book. It's an awesome allegory.

Also, being a body builder, do you really want to pollute your body???

 

[MaxR1996]

I would stay away from cannabis and mushrooms if I were you. Just because God can bring something good out of something bad, or protects you from what you could experience, that doesn't mean it's good or ok. If evil walked up to us and said, 'hey, I'm gonna kill you', we'd know it's evil. So it rarely does that. Evil masquerades as something good. It lures you in before it traps you. Drugs might be fun at first, but there is always a pay off. Read Pinocchio. Not the Disney crap, the real and unabridged book. It's an awesome allegory.

Also, being a body builder, do you really want to pollute your body???

Thank you, that was a great answer.

Surprisingly a lot of bodybuilders use cannabis for increased appetite and recovery.

 

[zippy2]

Thank you, that was a great answer.

Surprisingly a lot of bodybuilders use cannabis for increased appetite and recovery.

Ok I guess I was a little shrill with you and I'm sorry. It is just it is personal with me so it kinda took me by surprise.

About your question, what if you used something to have an experience with God. How would you know how much of it was God and how much of it was the drug? How would you be able to tell? Be careful Brother, with this type thing. Do you think that would be a problem? Kinda scary to me.

 

[bhsmte]

Thank you, that was a great answer.

Surprisingly a lot of bodybuilders use cannabis for increased appetite and recovery.

How would cannabis help recovery, from a physiological standpoint?

 

[MaxR1996]

How would cannabis help recovery, from a physiological standpoint?

No idea from physiological standpoint but its helps you get better sleep, and calms you down, which can help with recovery, also relaxes muscles.

I know a guy who is a current world record holding powerlifter who smokes a lot ( Squats over 1000 lbs raw ), ( Benches over 550 lbs raw ).

Tons of bodybuilders smoke it too. Keep it mind they're taking a bunch of hormones which increase aggressiveness so its a way to balance that.

 

[MaxR1996]

Ok I guess I was a little shrill with you and I'm sorry. It is just it is personal with me so it kinda took me by surprise.

About your question, what if you used something to have an experience with God. How would you know how much of it was God and how much of it was the drug? How would you be able to tell? Be careful Brother, with this type thing. Do you think that would be a problem? Kinda scary to me.

I agree with that. I haven't used any kind of drug in a few months, and have felt god's presence, so I'm not concerned about that.

I see what you mean though. I kind of think any experience that brings you closer to god is good, even if part of it is from the drugs.

I mean God made Weed and Shrooms and clearly knows the effects of them. They're not addictive either, like cocaine a tool Satan would use.

Unless these drugs are a repeat of the tree of knowledge I don't know why god would make them only to tempt us.

I vaguely recall a verse talking about a new healing plant that would heal, if anyone could find the verse that would be great.

I'm far from a "stoner" but the stoner crowd in high school seemed a lot more Jesus like, then the stuck up people who took themselves too seriously.

Weed even has an amazing smell, I'm not trying to glorify it, but there are cannabinoid receptors in our body as well.

So either God made it for us to use, or it is one big tool Satan uses to tempt people.

I'm still on the fence though, and it will not use it again until I'm 100% convinced it is from God for us to use, and not from Satan.

 

[zippy2]

I agree with that. I haven't used any kind of drug in a few months, and have felt god's presence, so I'm not concerned about that.

I see what you mean though. I kind of think any experience that brings you closer to god is good, even if part of it is from the drugs.

I mean God made Weed and Shrooms and clearly knows the effects of them. They're not addictive either, like cocaine a tool Satan would use.

Unless these drugs are a repeat of the tree of knowledge I don't know why god would make them only to tempt us.

I vaguely recall a verse talking about a new healing plant that would heal, if anyone could find the verse that would be great.

I'm far from a "stoner" but the stoner crowd in high school seemed a lot more Jesus like, then the stuck up people who took themselves too seriously.

Weed even has an amazing smell, I'm not trying to glorify it, but there are cannabinoid receptors in our body as well.

So either God made it for us to use, or it is one big tool Satan uses to tempt people.

I'm still on the fence though, and it will not use it again until I'm 100% convinced it is from God for us to use, and not from Satan.

I think you are thinking about Rev 22;2
Rev 22:2
In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

This would be in the Millennial Kingdom. Is this what you were thinking of?

 

[MaxR1996]

I think you are thinking about Rev 22;2
Rev 22:2
In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

This would be in the Millennial Kingdom. Is this what you were thinking of?

No.

It said God would bring a new healing plant to the people.

 

[MaxR1996]

This is what I was looking for.

Maybe I read it out of context originally:

Ezekiel 34:29King James Version (KJV)
29 And I will raise up for them a plant of renown, and they shall be no more consumed with hunger in the land, neither bear the shame of the heathen any more.

 

[zippy2]

This is what I was looking for.

Maybe I read it out of context originally:

Ezekiel 34:29King James Version (KJV)
29 And I will raise up for them a plant of renown, and they shall be no more consumed with hunger in the land, neither bear the shame of the heathen any more.

I think Rev 22:2 works better.