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RC Sproul, and the Catholic Church

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Veritas

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While surfing, I came across a sermon by RC Sproul, with whom many of you will be familiar. Unbeknownst to him, the solution to the problem he discusses already exists and does not need to be reinvented. It's called the Catholic Church!:) See what you think:

"The only seekers we tend to draw with seeker sensitive services are believers seeking a different church. By presenting a God who wants us to look at ourselves, who doesn't judge and command, who has a wonderful set of insights on how to have a happy, healthy marriage we put God's imprimatur on narcisism. There's nothing evangelicals like more than to be told that God loves them just the way they are.

But why aren't the seekers coming? They like pop music, so we give them pop music. They like stories so we give them dramas. They like anonymity, so we let them have it. They like convenience, so we'll change their oil while they're here (this by the way is being done). The problem is that we can do none of these things as well as the world can. Why get up on a Sunday morning and drive somewhere to listen to pop music, when its as close as my stereo? Why settle for cheesy scripts and sets when the television does it so much better? Why spend an hour getting an oil change when the pros can do it in ten minutes?"


It's almost kind of sad that people search for authentic worship in all the wrong places. Why don't we all look around at the people we know and see if there's an Evangelical who might be open to the truths of our faith and invite them to Mass? Has anyone ever done this??? I know I haven't.:blush: We have something great to offer these "seekers", if only wetake the chance to share it with them.:clap:

 
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THats wonderful Veritas and I couldnt agree with you more. Like Bishop Sheen said, 99% of anti-Catholics dont know Catholicism. Whats keeping them back are false misconceptions.
Tomorrow at lunch I will have an opportunity to witness the truth about the Communion of Saints to an Evangelical friend at work. Please pray for me that I say the right things and go about it in the right manner. Please pray that I be the best instrument for God that I can be.
 
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I love RC Sproul. He had at least some impact on me coming to the Catholic Church, with his talking about Augustine and Aquinas, like they are "Giants/Titans" of the faith. He gets negative marks from many protestants for being to pro-Catholic.

I will be praying, ps139
 
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Yeah, I like Sproul's program Renewing Your Mind ... very informative and articulate. And even when he does disagree with Catholicism he at least doesn't make wild accusations, he frames the issues correctly for the most part. He had a good series on Mary about a year ago.

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ps139 said:
THats wonderful Veritas and I couldnt agree with you more. Like Bishop Sheen said, 99% of anti-Catholics dont know Catholicism. Whats keeping them back are false misconceptions.
Tomorrow at lunch I will have an opportunity to witness the truth about the Communion of Saints to an Evangelical friend at work. Please pray for me that I say the right things and go about it in the right manner. Please pray that I be the best instrument for God that I can be.


:prayer:
 
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My brother converted from Catholicism to an Evangelical church. Every time we go there, I'm not comfortable with the way they worship. Everyone is standing and clapping to the band on the stage (however, I do enjoy the Bible study). I haven't asked my brother why he converted (he is now baptized TWICE - go figure), but have a feeling that it has to do with his wife being of this religion. I do know that the Catholic ways of worship seem archaic and cold to my brother.
His wife is a seeker, however. She was raised in this evangelical church (I think it's a branch of southern baptist). They've invited my devout Catholic mother to their services and my mom, after going a few times, has politedly declined. Maybe I should do the same for my sister in law. :idea:

Anyway, I will remember that author's name. Thanks for posting it.

btw - seems like we have a theme going on in here at OBOB about conversions. lol
 
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ps139 said:
Tomorrow at lunch I will have an opportunity to witness the truth about the Communion of Saints to an Evangelical friend at work. Please pray for me that I say the right things and go about it in the right manner. Please pray that I be the best instrument for God that I can be.
Let us know how it went.
 
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Irenaeus said:
I thought R.C. Sproul was a Calvinist, and objected greatly to the Catholic view of justification? How is he pro-Catholic (I have read one of his books and many of his articles)
Hi Irenaeus,

Sproul is Calvinist (reformed -presbyterian I think) but he isn't antiCatholic. I wouldn't call him proCatholic. I expect there are some who feel he skirts the edge towards Catholicism with his referals to Augustine and Aquinas, his support of formal liturgy being as valid and proper worship and things of that nature.

Marcia
 
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Catholic Sympathizers in the protestant world

He has a lot of negatives about RC Sproul
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/sproul/general.htm
Sproul also signed an agreement drafted in 6/95 by J.I. Packer and Michael Horton titled, "Resolutions for Roman Catholic and Evangelical Dialogue." This document encouraged Catholics and Evangelicals to join together when "Christian values and behavioral patterns are at stake," but the union is not to be regarded as agreement in doctrine! The document also accepted as fact that the Roman Catholic Church contains many believers.]

Hank Hanegraaff is tartgeted as too Catholic
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/cri/withrome.htm


Here's the word on how CS Lewis and his Catholic sympathizing ways.
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/lewis/general.htm
- By the time of his death, Lewis had moved from Idealism (no idea of a personal God) to Pantheism (an impersonal God in everything) and then to Theism (the existence of God). In Letters to Malcolm (p. 107), Lewis indicates that shortly before his death he was turning toward the Catholic Church. Lewis termed himself "very Catholic" -- his prayers for the dead, belief in purgatory, and rejection of the literal resurrection of the body are serious deviations from Biblical Christianity (C.S. Lewis: A Biography, p. 234); he even went to a priest for regular confession (p. 198), and received the sacrament of extreme unction on 7/16/63 (p. 301).

Bill McCartney
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/pk/pk-fea.htm
Its founder and several of its leaders are part of the charismatic movement which is a major catalyst in the effort to bring about fellowship and eventual union with the Roman Catholic Church; whereas, in truth, the Roman Catholic Church is a false church, preaches a false gospel and is not a part of the body of Christ.

D. James Kennedy
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/kennedy/general.htm
Kennedy's love for the Church of Rome can be well documented:
blah blah blah
 
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Bigsierra thanks for the list of good Protestant preachers :).

I read an Rc Sproul book called "If there's a God, why are there atheists??" It was really well done, it went into some deep philosophy, it was an excellent book overall. I got the book for free by calling into a radio program. Well not exactly for free, as I get pamphlets from "Ligonier Ministries" and calls asking for donations about once a month.... :) But it was a great read and worth it.
 
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Irenaeus said:
This doesn't sound like C.S. Lewis,


If he rejected that, it would surprise me.
More likely this scholar who made the website can't understand Lewis, or is perpetuating some myth. That also jumped out at me.
 
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Irenaeus said:
This doesn't sound like C.S. Lewis,


If he rejected that, it would surprise me.
In Mere Christianity Lewis speaks of us in one chapter as being like bundles of light and energy, mirrors reflecting God's greatness in the afterlife. In the same context I think where he mentions that we are to be 'gods' which fundamentalists don't like that either.

I don't believe he rejected the bodily resurrection, as he also in another part of Mere Christianity speaks of how Christ eating after the resurrection is an indication of how things will be for us physically in the resurrection.

There is a website out there called Balaam's *** which says Lewis was Satan's pawn. Puts down the Narnia books, etc. :roll:

Marcia
 
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Sproul is from my camp, just to remind that there are other denominations that aren't watered downed gospel, seeker sensitive, evangelical hoopla.

Though I must confess I attended one for 2.5 years.....looking back it was horrible the way the gospel was presented and represented, I do love this about your Church, the gospel is still offensive and still powerful.
 
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For those Catholics who seem to appreciate R.C. Sproul (I think it's great you do) I wonder if you have read his 1995 Faith Alone: The Evangelical Doctrine of Justification. It is a stinging indictment of the joint document Evangelicals and Catholics Together and those protestant pastors and theologians who supported it. It was one of the critical works of Reformed theology that aided me on my journey to evangelical protestantism.

Secondly, please don't think that protestant references to Anselm or Augustine makes one a closet roman catholic. They are as much part of our tradition as yours and Sproul would hold that Reformed theology IS the faith handed on to the saints. Something I am sure you would not agree with.

In Fellowship.
 
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